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Cape Town is now among the 10 most violent cities in the world

Cape Town is now among the 10 most violent cities in the world

The latest report from the Mexican Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice shows that Cape Town has retained its position as South Africa’s most violent city – and is among the top 10 most violent cities in the world.

The report lists the 50 most violent cities in the world by the number of murders per 100,000 people.

The rankings only consider cities with populations exceeding 300,000, where murder statistics are made available.

The Western Cape city has fallen an alarming five positions on the annual ranking, entering the top 10 most violent cities at number nine.

In 2015, Cape Town registered 2,451 homicides among a population of 3.74 million people, giving it a rate of 65.53 per 100,000 people.

South Africa’s other ranked cities, Nelson Mandela Bay and Durban dropped down the ranking despite murder rates getting worse.

Durban has now overtaken Nelson Mandela Bay as the country’s second most violent city, dropping to 41st position (2014: 38th) while Nelson Mandela Bay dropped to 42nd (2014: 35th).

Durban registered 1,237 homicides in a population of 3.44 million people, giving it a rate of 35.93 per 100,000 people.

Nelson Mandela Bay registered 413 homicides in a population of 1.15 million people, giving it a rate of 35.85 per 100,000 people.

Johannesburg, which has avoided the top 50 for three years, has re-entered the list as the world’s 47thmost violent city. Johannesburg was last ranked by the group in 2011 in 50th position.

Johannesburg registered 1,344 homicides in a population of 4.43 million people, giving it a rate of 30.31 per 100,000 people.

Most violent cities in South Africa (murder rate)

City 2013 2014 2015
Cape Town 51.0 60.0 65.5
Durban 32.4 34.7 35.9
Nelson Mandela Bay 35.7 >34.9 35.8
Johannesburg 33.3

Most violent cities in South Africa (ranking)

City 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Cape Town 34th 27th 20th 14th 9th
Durban 49th 46th 48th 38th 41st
Nelson Mandela Bay 41st 38th 41st 35th 42nd
Johannesburg 50th 47th

Most violent cities in the world

While Cape Town’s entry into the top 10 is alarming, it sits among the champions of violence.

Of the 50 cities in the ranking, 21 are located in Brazil, 8 in Venezuela, Mexico 5, 4 in South Africa, 4 in the United States, 3 in Colombia and 2 in Honduras.

The overwhelming majority of the 50 most violent cities in the world are in Latin America (41 cities).

For the first time in five years, San Pedro Sula in Honduras didn’t top the list – the region was trumped by former number two, Caracas, Venezuela, with a rate of 119.87 homicides per 100,000 citizens.

San Pedro Sula still took second spot, having seen its homicide rate drop from a massive 171.20 homicides per 100,000 in 2014, to a rate of 111.03 in 2015.

These are world’s most violent cities:

City Country Homicides Population Rate per 100,000
Caracas Venezuela 3 946 3 291 830 119.87
San Pedro Sula Honduras 885 797 065 111.03
San Salvador El Salvador 1918 1 767 102 108.54
Acapulco Mexico 903 862 176 104.73
Maturin Venezuela 505 584 166 86.45
Central District Honduras 882 1 199 802 73.51
Valencia Venezuela 1125 1 555 739 72.31
Palmira Colombia 216 304 735 70.88
Cape Town South Africa 2451 3 740 026 65.53
Cali Colombia 1523 2 369 821 64.27

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  • Mario Dippenaar

    Cape Flats…

    • Dion Benny

      Stop importing refugees into the WCape and it might help.

      • C2H5OH

        We’ll try our best :-/

    • yodaho

      And Manenberg and Mitchell’s Plain, unfortunately.

  • the-TRUTH

    My Corrections to this publication: Cape Town, Gauteng in general, KZN in general are three most violent regions in South Africa. One wonders make Cape Town among the 10 most violent cities in the world – what about KZN or Gauteng. Even some parts of E.Cape are fast becoming gang plagued. And let’s not forget the assassinations that are happening in North West and Mpumalanga – this means South Africa is violent, generally speaking…
    I wonder who are these ‘third forces’ trying to make our country and regions violently ungovernable? Dirty politicking perhaps…

    • Lone Stranger

      My thought exactly. Probably a new tactic to take over the Western Cape. It will not be far fetched to think that the ANC is behind all of it. The ANC did say they will make the Western Cape ungovernable.

      In my opinion, the ANC should be destroyed, before it causes more havoc.

  • 3.74mil is the population of the entire Cape Town Metropolitan Area. This includes, among other areas, Hout Bay, Simon’s Town, Strand, Bloudbergstrand, in terms of the ‘extents’ it stretches across.

    Within that falls population-dense, high-crime-rate areas such as Imizamu Yethu (Hout Bay), Khayelitsha and the settlement along R103.

    Cape Town, the city, has a population of just ~470k.

    How about redoing those statistics after cutting out everything which isn’t the city?

    • Jacobus Pienaars

      Are you perhaps an ANC statician? No, wait… You merely blame the ANC when they nitpick facts to “prove” a point….
      Or….maybe…. Youre just from Cape Town!

    • Tom Ford

      lol, I suppose you also support things like rigging elections and such

      • Going to ask you the same thing I asked Jacobus.
        What?

    • King Trollo

      a city is the urvban or metro area, otherwise youre sayin london is what, 10000 people? its just the cbd! that line was put there in medieval times, theyre outdated boundaries that happen to retain the same name

      cape town should arguablyt include stellenbosch and paarl on top of the municipal population

      american cities shouldnt be in there – they all exclude the vast majority of their built-up area

  • hernan cortez

    Thank you DA in capetown

    • Dreigorian

      Calculate the deaths caused by the anc before being a liptard here.

    • Christopher☠Brunsdon

      Policing is national government, not local/provincial. Any credit for success or failure in reducing crime can only be given to national government (aka the ruling party).

      Local authorities often have their hands tied behind their backs by SAPS and do the best they can. Also local SAPS in crime ridden areas are denied the resources they need.

    • weepee1

      Just a heads-up Hernan. You pay tax to the ANC government to provide protection against crime. SAP’s are a government institution and have nothing to do with provincial government. Just saying!!!!

    • Jannie Van Der Walt

      Indeed. Thank you DA for keeping it so low, considering this is actually a national policing issue you have been addressing for a while. Also where there was evidence of bussing in people to further exacerbate the issue. Plus details of meeting of opposition parties meeting with crime lords …

      • Tom Ford

        crime is not CAUSED by policing. What do you have to say about the cause?
        crime is a reflection of poor socio-economic conditions. What has the DA done to develop the poor outlying places where all this crime takes place?

        I’m not disputing your point about national policing and thug activities of Fransman and Zuma, but think you grossly miss the point. Do you know how much more migrants flood Johannesburg compared to CPT?

        • Mamparra

          “What has the DA done to develop the poor outlying places where all this crime takes place?”

          Maybe by spending 67% of their budget on ‘pro-poor’ initiatives? That’s SIXTY SEVEN PERCENT of ‘my’ rates money.

          But I’d certainly agree they’re not spending it in the so-called ‘coloured’ areas like Manenberg, Lavender Hill and so on, which I find absolutely disgusting. As far as I can tell, the majority of the money goes into the Eastern Cape towns of Khayelitsha, Masiphumelele, Kayamandi etc, on people, the majority of who were brought down to the Cape by the ANC to win the vote in 1994.

          It’s no wonder the murder rate is going up. I just earlier drove along the M5 and find it totally disgraceful that those poor people are sucking the hind t*t once again – too black under apartheid, too white under the commies.

          • Tom Ford

            Is that the highest % of all provinces? what does 67% really mean relatively? shouldn’t they be judged on the results?
            I always read DA stats with a ? because they are often put in a way to push a convenient agenda.

            I was in Gug’s recently, after about 7 years, and I saw absolutely nothing different. Woodstock looks like an upmarket New York now. I’m wondering what happened to the people who lived there back in the day in small Muslim communities. Instead of the City developing the area into expanding that thriving community and family value base, they rather just supported the Germans with their big office blocks and such.

            When I lived in Claremont, besides the racism (yes I experienced more racism there than my entire life), I loved it because the city was really working for me. There was the Claremont development zone there and things where, from an already very good base, improving rapidly. Clearly all this 67% is not being spent in the same way in the townships. Is there even a Khayaletsha or Retreat development zone?

            I agree though that the coloured communities are really getting the back end of the stick.

          • Mamparra

            Depends on what you mean by ‘judging on results’. Frankly with 400 000 people from the Eastern Cape in Khayelitsha, what do they expect? Probably a lot more than they’re getting back ‘home’. I judge their quality of life (perhaps) by the number of satellite dishes per 100 shacks – from my totally non academic research from my car driving along Baden Powell Drive, I’d say probably twenty five.

            As far as Woodstock is concerned, at least it’s not a ‘District Six’ apartheid exercise. It’s an economic one, and I can tell you the people selling up there aren’t complaining about the high prices they’re getting for their properties. Judging by the swarms of foreign tourists at the Biscuit Mill there’s a lot of money being brought into Cape Town, money that provides jobs, which is more than the moronic Home Affairs Minister Gigamouth has done with his stupid visa rules (and who then has the brazen cheek to say that the tourism numbers ‘went up by 7% showing there wasn’t a problem’ – no, it could perhaps have been 27% if he’d stayed out of it!).

            Who do you think pays for the new developments – the council? Yes they facilitate but it’s the dreaded capitalists that put up the buildings, and once again, it shows how the Cape is attracting business, unlike the rest of the country? And creating JOBS just like the march in Jo’burg today was all about.

            As for a plan for Khayelitsha, I’m not privy to how they’re spending that 67% of my rates, but all I can say is that as soon as there’s an outbreak into a new area along Baden Powell, not long afterwards the electricity poles go up. And I’d much much rather have the DA spending my dosh than the crooks in the ANC! Perhaps you can look at this page from the council website for some information, and the many others they have. Google ‘Khayelitsha Shopping Mall’ for some more news.

            https://www capetown gov za/en/subcouncils/yoursubcouncil/Pages/default.aspx?subcouncilcode=9

          • Tom Ford

            Please stop thinking CPT is special with regards to people from elsewhere flooding into the city. ALL major metropolises in the world experience it. Eastern Cape is close to CPT and CPT is a major economic hub. What else do you expect? Do you know how many more people from all over SA and Africa risk everything, with nothing, to move to Gauteng “The city of Gold”, some even still literally thinking they will find gold. It’s just a silly argument IMHO and actually borders on whatever the ism is for hate of Xhosa’s and people from EC.

            I hear you on the Woodstock case.

            Off the top of my head, there’s over 8 proper big malls in Soweto alone and many more smaller centres all over the place. More importantly besides just consumerism, Gauteng government actively created industrial zoning and spaces for businesses in the townships for economic development. I made the example of REAVaya BRT vs MyCity BRT in another post.

            I just really think DA spends too much time talking up successes which when looked at relatively and comparatively can be found out to be very poor. I see the progress in Gauteng with my own 2 eyes and just don’t see much of it in CPT for the poor. Once again, fine they spend 67% on the poor, but how much is Gauteng for e.g. spending as a percentage? the number alone means nothing, especially when you can’t see the results physically. Have you seen how many DSTV dishes there are in Diepsloot?

          • Dion Benny

            No one said CT is special. Just because the influx of people happens everywhere doesnt mean you just throw your hands on the air. The DA is now kicking people on the cape flats out of their homes to house those refugees they are so afraid to turn back. Then they sit with enormous housing and other related problems. But hey who cares, dump it on the cape flats.

            Dishes in Diepsloot because they dont pay rates like others and have their homes back where they come from.

          • Mamparra

            In normal situations yes. But in the case of the Cape, no. Do you deny that the population of Khayelitsha ballooned in 1994? That the ANC bussed in their voters from the Eastern Cape 24/7 to boost their chances of winning the vote here? If you do deny it, then you really do need a reality check.

            And Soweto is not an informal settlement it’s been an established township/city for fifty years. You mention Diepsloot right at the end, but I won’t let you get away with hiding bad news. So, let’s have it, oh great oracle, HOW MANY SHOPPING MALLS ARE THERE IN DIEPSLOOT??

            And while we’re on it, how many potholes are there in Jo’burg? And don’t try to obfuscate, I’ve lived there and I know….. Oh and BTW do the robots still not work?! And I used to drive past the hellhole that is Diepsloot every day.

          • Tom Ford

            Thanks cause I got to learn a little more about Khayelitsha’s history. It actually is not an informal settlement, it was an Apartheid Township just like Soweto and the likes. Yes, it’s younger and yes people flooded into the place to seek a better life in 94. Don’t really know about the ANC bussing in part of it but when the law changed, people did go there after being kicked out by the previous regime.

            Dieplsloot is a very good case to compare because it’s even newer than Khayelitsha and has an influx rate of people moving there informally, which you can compare to Khayelitsha. Yes it does have a mall and is also close to places like fourways.

            The point is this influx is not blamed and used as an excuse for lack of progress like it is in CPT.

            I’m in no way defending Joburgs shortcomings. I’m trying to highlight to you that the achievements CPT is always raving about are not that special and it’s more political rhetoric.
            What’s real are stats like this, which show a picture which so many deny or try brush aside.

          • Mamparra

            Have you been to Khayelitsha recently? It certainly did start out as an ‘apartheid township’ probably with some brick houses like Soweto, but was apparently very small. There were very few ‘black’ people in the Western Cape in those days.The large influx started in the early 1990s as I said, and has continued since then. If you drive past it as I often do, you’ll see that it’s mainly shacks. The numbers have increased by a new report I read to 600 000, fair enough probably economic refugees who can’t get work in the Eastern Cape because of the complete failure of both the local and national ANC governments. That’s over four times the size of Diepsloot from the statistics I’ve gleaned.

            The CT council have every right to brag about what they’re doing on very little money, especially considering the lack of much assistance from the national government. They are a shining light in this benighted country on how to manage bureaucratic matters and I hope the rest of the country gets a chance to see how it SHOULD be done compared with the awful examples they’re being given by the crooked and corrupt ‘leaders’ they have voted for in the past.

            Let us never forget that this bunch of disgusting thieves have stolen – according to the Auditor General remember – on average R35 billion rand a year since 1994. How many nice houses would that have built for the poor in this country, especially in Khayelitsha?

            As I’ve said in other threads, while I agree you should never trust any politician, the DA people we have down here in the Cape are like Heavenly Angels compared to the Gang of Thieves aka the ANC that have almost brought this country to it’s knees.

          • Tom Ford

            http://ewn.co.za/2016/01/28/Ci
            Note some of the innovations and actions JHB uses (note things like installing cameras in the most dangerous parts of JHB, increasing infrastructure spend and the rating agencies upgrade)

            I acknowledge the good work DA has done but it’s not the only success story. I was in Polokwane recently for e.g. and shocked at how much development and progress there’s been there too.

            a bit more info on khayelitsha’s forced removals during Apartheid and why people moved back.
            http://www.sahistory.org.za/place/khayelitsha-township

          • Mamparra

            Before you start falling for the ANC’s propaganda, you might want to read some of the comments below that article presumably from Jo’burg residents? Not very kind, and certainly the large proportion of them suggesting it’s purely electioneering on the ANC’s part with little facts behind it.

            As for your reference to Khayelitsha, it’s very interesting. From what I can work out, there were 100 000 illegals there pre-1990, who were sent back to the (then) Transkei. After that the dam burst, aided and abetted I’m suggesting by the ANC’s desire to take over the Cape with their bussing campaign. I quote:

            “During the 1990s, migrants from the Eastern Cape, previously deterred by influx control, arrived in search of work. By 1995 there were over half a million people living in Khayelitsha. Many brought their cattle and were able to earn an income by selling milk to township residents.” Makes you think, doesn’t it, especially as it links directly with the 1994 elections?

            And BTW, pray tell me why those people would travel well over 1200 km to come to Cape Town, when PE is only about 500 km away, East London even closer at 200 km and Durban only 400 km? Of course, the answer these days is that the ANC have made such a mess up of those three cities that the only place left IS Cape Town, but that certainly wasn’t the case then.

          • Dion Benny

            Do you have proof that the DA spent that money on the poor or are you simply repeating what the DA told you?

          • Mamparra

            Do you that they haven’t?

            But realising you’re probably rather challenged in accepting anything that doesn’t match your twisted view and also in researching, why not have a read of this:

            http:// www politicsweb co za/politics/67-of-cape-towns-spending-to-be-targeted-towards-p

            There are many other links like that. Just do what I did and search on ‘67% Cape Town’. And before you try to trash it, just note it’s an extract from the Cape Town Mayor’s annual budget speech, so be very careful if you start calling her a liar.

          • Dion Benny

            Yes stop quoting figures and having your reality informed by figures. Go to these places , ask around and then come back.

          • Mamparra

            OK so you’re calling our Mayor a liar. Fine. And I’m calling you an idiot. End of debate, you’re not worth the effort.

          • Dion Benny

            What a rebuttal! It is ok. Just like the ANC voters, you cant see the liars in your camp. But go ahead, Stick your head in the sand.

        • Jannie Van Der Walt

          While crime is not caused by policing, it certainly thrives where there is a lack of policing.

          Johannesburg? You mean Lagos South? Open borders for all etc etc? Read previous paragraph …

          • Tom Ford

            http://ewn.co.za/2016/01/28/City-of-Joburg-hails-its-crime-prevention-strategies
            Note some of the innovations and actions JHB uses (things like installing cameras in the most dangerous parts of JHB & increasing infrastructure spend)

          • Jannie Van Der Walt

            Yes. Sandton license offices also have something like that inside. Expect every time the public’s’ money disappears at the counter, the cameras are defective. Sigh….

      • Dion Benny

        Low? Must it hit you in the face before you wake up?

        And stop perpetuating that excuse to do nothing.

        • Jannie Van Der Walt

          Who said anything about doing nothing? Jirre, talk about setting up straw men to shoot them down for being straw men. Sounf like you have some “motives” here?

    • Dion Benny

      Yeah dont worry we will vote them out. Don’t listen to these DA goons. They are the same as the ANC loyalists. Nor are they in the majority in cape town.

  • Joe Soap

    Part of the anc election campaign. When the Western Cape government asked for assistance in the crime/drug/gang ridden areas did they get assistance? No. I don’t know why the anc wants to win there anyway. According to some anc members there too many colored people in the WC. Personally I’ve got no issues with my colored brethren.

  • bengine

    “…from the Mexican Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice” ???

    If I put my head in the freezer and feet in the fire on average I will be warm.

    By aggregating the entire Cape Metropol it gives the impression that the entire city is like this rather than certain hotspots.

    Not a great statistic – one that needs to be addressed but a bit misleading when viewed from the potential tourists’ perspective when considering whether to visit CT or not. Tourism = forex = jobs.

    On the other hand – it is a good thing the report is like it is – prevents us from sweeping the problem under the carpet and forces us to focus on the trouble areas and fix them which might be a lot easier if there were not outside influences interfering in a vain attempt to win political points.

    • SammyD97

      I’m pretty sure they did this for all the cities so you’ve got no complaining to do. If CT got special treatment and was the only one where they used surrounding areas as well then you could complain. Crime as a whole needs to addressed not the method used to compile statistics.

      • bengine

        Did you read my whole post?

        The point of the comment was that we live in a world governed by statistics where most of the time the figures are not considered in context and distort the view. My closing comment was that in this case the effect on the city is probably a good thing as it forces us to focus on the problem.

      • I’m pretty sure they did this for all the cities so you’ve got no complaining to do

        Actually, there’d be a hell of a lot of complaining to do. Why is this council putting out documents on crime statistics when they don’t know the differences between the various terms involved and how those have a very specific influence on how the statistics are not only perceived, but what they mean?

        There is the Cape Town Metropolitan Area within which there is the City of Cape Town.

        The former has a total population around 3.5mil. The latter has a population of around 0.5mil. In other words, the City of Cape Town makes up just 1/7th the total statistics concerned, yet the City is referred to by the statistics.

        • King Trollo

          youre taking city literally using arbitrary boundaries. its a useless but notoriously widespread way of measuring city size

          cape town is a city of at least 3.5m, its fairly obvious

          in fact (this doesnt mean squat) its called the city of cape town metropolitan municipality. that doesnt even matter anywaty

          • youre taking city literally using arbitrary boundaries. its a useless but notoriously widespread way of measuring city size
            You’re right. We should start calling villages ‘cities’ which span massive areas of land and contain millions upon millions of people as well.

            cape town is a city of at least 3.5m, its fairly obvious
            Cool. Glad I grew up on the town of Hout Bay with its 3.5m< population. Didn't feel stuffy in there at all!

            in fact (this doesnt mean squat) its called the city of cape town metropolitan municipality. that doesnt even matter anywaty
            You’re right, that statement doesn’t mean squat, because that’s referring to the ‘City of Capetown (Metropolitan) Municipality’, not Cape Town, the city, or Cape Town, the metropolitan region.

            In case you’re having figuring out what I’m getting at, it refers to the municipality.

            If you need further clarification, Napier, Elim, Klipdale, Bredasdorp, Agulhas and a few others all fall under the Cape Agulhas ‘Local’ Municipality. That local municipality falls under the Overberg District Municipality.

            These are called subdivisions. Those subdivisions exist for the very specific purpose of differentiation of one area from another.

            That’s why the towns of Hout Bay, Simon’s Town, Fishhoek and Noordhoek, despite falling within the Cape Town Metropolitan Area, all have their own names and are all distinct towns rather than simply being “the city of Cape Town”.

            But I guess to a ‘bright bulb’ like you that doesn’t matter.

          • King Trollo

            youre still using arbitrary polticval boundaries i see. i dont know if you know or understand what arbitrary mneans

            a city cant be smaller than its urban area. its why the fbi use the metropolitan statistical area as the standard for us cities in their crime statistics. hout bay, simons town etc. are in cape town. i dont know what youre implying, nobody thinks theyre outside cape town

          • ‘political’ boundaries? What’s ‘political’ about geographic separation?

            I don’t think you understand what constitutes an arbitrary boundary. There is nothing arbitrary about Hout Bay vs Camps Bay vs Kommetjie vs Muizenberg vs Cape Town City.

            a city cant be smaller than its urban area
            Here’s a massive clue for you.
            An urban area is an urban area.
            A metropolitan area is a metropolitan area.

            An urban area falls within a metropolitan area; in fact, it constitutes the ‘core’ of a metropolitan area.

            A metropolitan area cannot fall within an urban area, it encompasses it and its surroundings.

            A city is a place within a metropolitan area. There can be multiple cities within one metropolitan area.

            Do you understand this last sentence? Multiple. Go look that word up. Then consider how that influences the differentiation between the terms:

            Urban area
            Metropolitan area
            City
            Town
            etc

          • Hell, here’s a National Geographic article for you as well discussing the matter.

            http://education.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/urban-area/

            “Urban area” can refer to towns, cities, and suburbs. An urban area includes the city itself, as well as the surrounding areas. Many urban areas are called metropolitan areas, or “greater,” as in Greater New York or Greater London.

            Notice how they say “includes the city itself, as well as surrounding areas”. As in, they’re distinguishing ‘the city’ from ‘not the city’. Something these statistics and you fail to do.

            They then go on to talk about towns.

            Towns

            One type of urban area is a town. A town is generally larger than a village, but smaller than a city. Some geographers further define a town as having 2,500 to 20,000 residents.

            Towns usually have local self-government, and they may grow around specialized economic activities, such as mining or railroading.

            Notice again they’re differentiating between towns, villages and cities. Something you and these statistics fail to do.

            Next time you want to tell someone they don’t know what they’re talking about, it really helps if you, yourself, know what you’re talking about.

            At this point I’ve no reason to do anything more than dismiss you based on your name; King Trollo. I’ll assume you’re either a troll or uneducated. Either works.

  • Simon

    There’s that stock ‘starter pistol’ image again when ‘crime’ or ‘violence’ is mentioned….definitely getting some mileage out of that one!

  • Deon Labuschagne

    Its the ANC arms and sends their thugs (they call them comrades) to Cape Town.
    The ANC bus and taxi them to Cape Town. Guns and all. The fire in Cape Town is also the ANC! CANCer of this country.

    • SammyD97

      I don’t know I’ll just assume you’re being sarcastic

      • chunk

        I think he truly believes that.

  • #TimeForChange

    If the DA were in charge of the POLICE, things would be different #TimeForChange

    • BrS

      Doubt it.

      • Dion Benny

        Highly doubt it.

  • #TimeForChange

    ANC again sabotages things for political gain – just like they stir up racism rows….and keep education at a low level….

  • Nathan David Veitch

    I have to ask, could this be because the Western Cape is the only province that keeps accurate data? I live in Cape Town and maybe its because I work in the CBD that I don’t see any of the so called violence. I’m sure if they had to do the rating on every crime and not just homicides then Cape Town might not feature in the stats.

    • chunk

      Cape Town hipsters might just be the most ignorant people around.

      • RustedFaith

        That comment is ignorance in it self. Let me guess JHB hipsters are perfectly fine.

        If you dont get race to divide society you will get religion to divide society and now you use provinces to divide society.

        Going by your comments you are the most ignorant person here and most intolerable.

        • chunk

          Born and bread in Cape Town and not black so don’t make assumptions, i made the comment due to reactions by cape town people trying to rearrange what constitutes Cape Town to say that it cant be Cape Town because that’s not their experience. PS i have never voted ANC and never will, because i have an issue with Cape Town does not make me an ANC supporter or against the DA. Do not make assumptions it makes you look petulant

          • Connect the dots

            Policing is a national government function. The ANC runs the national government. Do I need to connect the dots for you too?

          • chunk

            That’s conspiracy theory not fact.

          • C2H5OH

            The SAPS is controlled by national government though…
            … that fact is without dispute.

          • Dion Benny

            Yes thats the big DA excuse.

    • BrS

      It is because the bulk of the murders are concentrated in a small number of areas.

    • Tom Ford

      unfortunately, the bubble in which you exist is not the entire Cape Town. You honestly have no reason to go into and see the rest of your city (i.e. the flat lands, townships and squatters) but don’t be surprised or try justify facts based on your limited subjective view. As I say, I don’t blame you because you clearly don’t know just how bad it is in some places in CPT and I wouldn’t suggest you go there to find out either. Just know that for some of us who have been in these places and seen how sickeningly bad things are in CPT, it’s not a surprise at all and your Accurate stats argument is a joke.

      • You clearly don’t know the difference between a city and a metropolitan area.

        Here’s a tip: a metropolitan area can contain many cities, towns, suburbs, etc.

        • Dion Benny

          Semantics doesnt disprove what he said. Attack the argument not the arguer.

          • I already did, and that comment of mine was in response to his (first response to me) on one of my other comments earlier. Specifically, to quote:
            “lol, I suppose you also support things like rigging elections and such”

            And it’s not semantics at all. The distinction between a metropolitan area and a city, town, suburb etc exists for a reason.

          • King Trollo

            i dont know what hes on about

        • King Trollo

          a metro area is a city at its contemporary suize. not the brightest bulb huh?

          youre second sentence doesnt make sense for obvious reasons. a city cant be smaller than its urban area

          • A metropolitan area, sometimes referred to as a metropolitan region, metro area or just metro, is a region consisting of a densely populated urban core and its less-populated surrounding territories, sharing: industry, infrastructure, and housing.[1] A metro area usually comprises multiple jurisdictions and municipalities: neighborhoods, townships, cities, exurbs, suburbs, counties, districts, states, and even nations like the eurodistricts.

            In practice, the parameters of metropolitan areas, in both official and unofficial usage, are not consistent. Sometimes they are little different from an urban area, and in other cases they cover broad regions that have little relation to a single urban settlement; comparative statistics for metropolitan area should take this into account. Population figures given for one metro area can vary by millions.

            Feel free to go read up on it before telling me I’m not the brightest bulb whilst making a fool of yourself through your lack of basic spell-checking. This is directly from the Wikipedia article on the topic, which will be your easiest resource of information to find.

          • King Trollo

            from wikipedia i know, i read the same article months ago and recognised the text. the fact is its wrong

            a metro cant be made of cities when it is THE city. do you see? “metropolis”, yes? what does it mean?

            what that unclear sentence is presumably referring to are municipalities with the word “city” in them which arent CITIES (theyre two different things entirely in most cases) – unless they cover at least the whole, initial urban territory

            a city cant be smaller than its urban territory, by the laws of straightforward logic

        • Anton Robeliski

          Here you go, Cape Town Central, your beloved CBD, has the second highest overall crime rate in South Africa behind Mitchells Plain. Extremely high incidences of robbery being responsible for that.

          http://www.crimestatssa.com/topten.php

          Did you hear that? That was the sound of you being BTFO.

          😀

          • I can’t imagine anyone but the intellectually-deficient would consider themselves “BTFO” for finally being presented with information they were requesting.

            What I’d like to know now is how this information influences the article’s information; that is to say, whether Cape Town (the city) still ranks where the article would imply it does.

            I never said Cape Town isn’t the most crime-ridden, I said the article is referring to the entire Cape Town Metropolitan Area rather than Cape Town, the city, itself

          • With reference to my prior comment in response to you, the article you linked doesn’t seem to give the population counts represented? Only the implied regions?

            All it’s giving otherwise is total reported crimes, in other words we aren’t seeing a picture of crimes per 100k people.

            I mean, Worcester is, compared to Cape Town, a tiny area. In 2011 it had a population around 100,000 people.

            Homicides is one of the items compared by this article; it’s quite easy to see that’s being represented as ~39 per 100,000 people for Worcester for 2015, with it being higher in previous years.

            Mitchell’s plain is a similarly tiny area with a 2011 population around 310,000 people. Total homicides reported for 2015: 141. Rate of ~46/100k. Kraaifontein at 156k, also 141 murders reported for 2015, rate of 90/100k.

            Meanwhile, if the Cape Town figure represents only the CBD population previously mentioned to be around 470k, we’ve got a whopping 12 reported murders. Ergo a rate of ~2.5/100k.

            So while that article you linked is interesting, it’s still only giving a very small portion of a very big and complex picture.

            If anything it’s supporting my statement that this BT article’s statistics are skewed; because we’re not getting very concrete, granular information.

            Worcester aside, Mitchell’s Plain and Kraaifontein fall within the Cape Town Metropolitan Area as far as I’m aware, and as you can see when one is focusing on Cape Town CBD for the rate of homicides it’s minuscule compared to other areas within the metro.

          • Mamparra

            Laugh as much as you like, but consider this: ‘How many people would go walking around the middle of Jo’burg or Durban?’ Would you?! Like ****. That’s why the whole comparison is ridiculous, especially as the City of Johannesburg is actually Sandton, and Durban is Umhlanga. Nobody with any money or valuables to steal goes anywhere near the original ones, unlike Cape Town.

          • Anton Robeliski

            Yes the comparison is indeed ridiculous. Cape Town’s urban planning is very different to Johannesburg. The highest value real estate is located around the city center, then the city is zoned largely by race, excepting a few grey areas, so that the most established residential areas for poor people are located furthest away from the city center and its prime real estate. In Johannesburg Alexandria is located right next to Sandton, Dainfern is 5 minutes drive from Diepsloot.

            So in Cape Town, if you are white and prepared to accept that murders of black and coloured people isn’t really proper crime, then it’s all relatively peachy, and the murders that happen in white areas (and they happen all the time) can be swept under the rug with the broom of Cape Town exceptionalism and white Capetonians can live with their delusions intact.

            (Nevermind that when I lived in Gardens my car was broken into in broad daylight every year, like clockwork, causing me tens of thousands of rands in repairs and stolen property. That doesn’t matter because, well, because.)

            If, however, you’re a black or coloured person, there is virtually no more dangerous place on earth to be than Cape Town. Capetonians are cool with this cause its just like gang violence and shebeens man hey bru apart from the police officers getting shot in the face in broad daylight which is like righteously uncool hey but not too bad cos we took shrooms in Newlands forest last week hey and my coke dealer lives in the same complex as me man.

            Ah, Cape Town.

          • Mamparra

            But you miss my point entirely. The issue is ‘CBDs’. The Cape Town CBD is ‘Cape Town’. I don’t doubt there is lots of petty crime there. But you cannot compare it to ‘Johannesburg’ because that’s not a ‘CBD’ anymore – hasn’t been for years, same as Durban. The CBDs have shifted. Simple.

            So it’s a matter of semantics. But where you and I are going to get into one moer of a fight is when you start making incredibly racist statements about what so-called ‘white’ people think about the deaths of so-called ‘coloured’ and ‘black’ people. How dare you!! Are you just another ANC troll trying to stir up race hate? Because it damn well sounds like that.

            Go **** yourself. You disgust me.

          • Anton Robeliski

            Everyone understood your point, the point was never valid to begin with.

            They compared the greater Cape Town and greater Johannesburg metropolitan areas, and yes, Cape Town’s greater metropolitan area is kak. Even Africa Check couldn’t debunk that one. The murder rate for the Cape Town metropolitan area is almost double that of the greater Johannesburg metropolitan area.

            Where you poor pathetic windswept, rainsoaked Kapies are coming unstuck is that you want to pretend that they are comparing the Cape Town greater metropolitan area to the Johannesburg CBD, by which they actually mean Sandton, so that you can complain that they are not comparing apples with apples.

            But they are comparing greater metro areas and not CBDs. Even if they compare CBDs the Cape Town CBD has a higher crime rate than the Joburg CBD (and they are not talking about Sandton, they are talking about Hillbrow etc), which is pretty impressive.

            You just can’t run away from the stats for the greater metropolitan areas, especially for violent crimes that are likely to be accurately reported.

            The standard evasion then is ‘its just a few areas’ (which does imply those areas are in some way negligible even though large portions of the city’s population lives in them), or ‘the ANC is making it up!’.

            The real problem here is that Cape Town’s income is heavily dependent on tourist revenue.

            As a result there is a massive PR and marketing industry that sells Cape Town as a brand to overseas visitors. What has happened is that many Capetonians are taken in by the marketing and don’t dig the cognitive dissonance that comes with stats like these.

          • Mamparra

            Then they must call it the metropolitan area – not the city. And as far as the tourists are concerned, how many would know the difference between the two, so they might be negatively affected because of totally erroneous data. But then, I have to say it’s not put many of them off judging by the bulging planeloads arriving at CPT. Even that idiot Gigamouth’s attempt to destroy the industry with his stupid visa and birth certificate rules hasn’t stemmed the flow. So that’s one for you to stick in your pipe and smoke.

  • Warren

    JHB not even on the list? this survey is a joke

  • ugher

    That stat means nothing (like any other stat – just manipulating with brains). A whole country is going down, inflation eats your salary (what affects poors TWICE bad). What you expect then? I won’t be surprised if they stop that slavery regime of Zooma and kick him away!

  • Bernard Rother

    This violence is all part of the ANC’s agenda to destabilise the Cape. Jacob Zuma also supports these gangsters and has been noted having meetings with them. So, I guess I can safely assume that all violence perpetrated in the Cape is a result of the ANC.

    • Q Anthonie Burger

      Just wait for ANCYL to say, it is the white people who are funding the violence in the Cape Flats to destabilise the security forces and make it impossible for the ANC to win the Western Cape.

      • Dion Benny

        Whites dont care for the capeflats. No one will believe that spin.

        • Q Anthonie Burger

          I am referring to the “It is the white people behind the students protests” accusation by ANCYL which is just a s stupid but inline with “Lets blame white people for everything then we do not have to take action on or responsibility for anything”

    • BrS

      Real masterminds the ANC, setting up gangs and the drug trade decades ago, so they could destabilise Cape Town in 2016.

    • Tom Ford

      BS, it’s a result of the DA. Comparing REAVaya BRT and MiCity BRT Is a point in case. In JHB, ReaVaya is a public transport initiative started in Soweto and giving people from the townships access to infrastructure that improves the lives of the people who need it the most. MiCity started in the Waterfront and City bowl, where the people are mostly rich and was created as more of a convenience factor to make the rich more comfortable. Not that Micity is not important and a good initiative, but isn’t it more prudent to give access and build infrastructure in the poor areas in the flat lands to develop the whole city?

      It’s these types of things more than some romanticized conspiracy theory that put CPT up there with the worst. There’s a lot of policy decisions the DA makes that perpetuate and create the environments for excessive crime. Instead of supporting poor communities in Woodstock and such, they support gentrification and foreigners buying the prime land and kicking the poor into the streets for e.g.
      How many development zones do they have in the poor areas?

      • Uh. Bullshït. Do you want to know what really affects the roll-out of the myciti service? TAXI’S! Because even when the negotiations are concluded, you have greedy, greedy operators who threaten murder and violence if the busses start operations on ‘THEIR’ routes.

    • M Magwaza

      If we can say the violence in cape town is caused by the ANC, can we assume that the violence in Gauteng, Nelson Mandela Bay and KZN is caused by the DA? do you have something in your head called brain?

      • Mamparra

        http://mg co za/article/2015-11-20-00-zumas-deal-with-cape-gang-bosses

        Viva, Amabhungane, Viva!

        Or have you got another ANC troll-based story to spin?

      • Dion Benny

        ANC and Co are violent by nature. They’ve always been a terrorist organisation. Nobody from the wcape made any mention of making another province ungovernable.

    • Dion Benny

      It is not just the gangsters. There’s always been gangsters. The DA also pays its protection money to the DA. Perhaps to stay out of the CBD and those areas.

      Gangsters exist because their paymasters sit elsewhere and their influence on police. That includes the DA and other political parties.

  • Ray Mulder

    Well done Cape Town!
    Another first for us…keep it up.:)

  • Tom Ford

    Obviously if the Governance puts so much focus on making the nice places nicer and totally neglects the rest of the city, this is what you get. The cape flats and such have had little to no economic development or attempt to correct apartheid spacial policies. There’s not much will from the DA to do anything about it either. Comparing the developments in Soweto to places like Gugulethu and such is like comparing chalk and cheese.

    • Dion Benny

      Yup. But it is spilling over.

    • chunk

      Colored people need to realise they are on there own the black government dont care for them neither does the DA they are courting the black masses, all colored people need to start looking to their own to survive.

  • LOLOLOL

    Cape Flats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Robert Dixon

    Well done sacpzanc / SAPS!

  • Mamparra

    Oh and BTW, the Times carried an article today by Aron Hyman that basically blows this Mexican study out of the window:

    http://www timeslive co za/thetimes/2016/01/28/Cape-Town-shoots-down-violence-rating

    Interesting, hey?

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