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Weak rand bites the rich as South Africans flee the country

Weak rand bites the rich as South Africans flee the country

A new report shows that wealthy South Africans are leaving the country while they still have the money, as a weak local currency has taken a toll on their fortunes.

The South Africa 2016 Wealth Report, set to be released this week, shows that the end of 2015, there were approximately 38,500 HNWIs living in South Africa, with a combined wealth of US$159 billion.

HNWIs are defined as people who have a net worth of US$1 million or more, according to metrics used by research firm, New World Wealth – the authors of the report.

South Africa is the largest HNWI market in Africa; however, according to NWW, South African volumes of wealthy individuals decreased by 10% during the review period (2007 – 2015).

“Growth was negatively influenced by a significant depreciation of the rand against the US dollar, falling equity markets and the migration of a significant number of HNWIs out of the country,” the report said.

2015, NWW said, was a particularly poor year for SA millionaires – HNWI volumes declined by 18% during the year. The research firm report 46,800 wealthy people in 2014.

Between 2000 and 2014, approximately 8,000 HNWIs abandoned the country, New World Wealth said in a report last year.

“Along with the rise in second citizenship applications, the number of people changing domicile (or immigrating) has increased dramatically since the turn of the century,” NWW said.

“Major reasons for this include: turmoil in home country, security concerns and optimizing education of children.”

South African HNWIs tended to move to Australia, the UK, Cyprus, Mauritius, the USA and Canada, NWW said.

Over the two year forecast period, the number of South African HNWIs is forecast to grow by 10%, to reach approximately 42,300 by 2017.

“Growth is constrained by the current electricity crisis and a rising level of government regulation in the business sector,” it said.

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Gareth is the editor at BusinessTech. Gareth was previously the ICT Editor at BusinessLive/I-Net Bridge. Gareth holds a degree in Journalism from Rhodes University....
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  • Take me with. Please.

    • RainbowMan

      It costs a fortune to relocate a family abroad, …..however all those that I know consider it money well spent.

      • Anonymous

        I’m one of those people and yes it cost our entire life savings but I would do it again in a heartbeat.

        • Xonix

          where’d you move to?

          • Anonymous

            New Zealand

          • LBS

            Lucky you ☺

      • Rick Forsythe

        I was very middle class and dipped into a huge chunk of our savings to get to Australia. Best move I have ever made. Look into it if you really mean that. It is doable.

        • Anonymous

          Same story with me, we are in New Zealand. Wish I’d made the move sooner!

        • hernandayoleary2

          Why do you consider it better over there

          • Rick Forsythe

            Safety and security is a big one. It is not just feeling safe but the fact that constant awareness and fear means South Africans are really wound tight. It is something I have noticed about myself – I feel like a weight is off my shoulders.

            Things work here. Really work. Public transport, government services. The cities are clean. Cape Town had huge air quality issues.

            The people are laid back and helpful. Since they spend less time worrying about the lower levels of Maslows Heirarchy of needs people spend more time improving themselves and their communities.

            Public schooling is at the same level as the expensive private school I sent my kid to in Cape Town and it is practically free.

            There is very little of the simmering racial tension. (There are exceptions to this but you get idiots everywhere.

            Just about every small suburb in my town has a public sports field within walking distance.

            I really encourage everyone – white, black, coloured, indian, malay, to experience this if they have the opportunity.

  • RainbowMan

    The Golden Geese are in flight, and soon the trough will not contain enough to satisfy all the zANC swine snouts.

    • Rick Forsythe

      Over 95,000 people have emigrated from South Africa since 2011. Let’s make a conservative assumption that each one of those people paid R 100,000 tax per year. That is R 9,500,000,000 per year lost to the tax man and to the welfare state. That is forgetting VAT, fuel levies, etc.

      • peterq

        You have to also take into account the job opportunities and skills transfer they have taken. But the government would say that is fine. The ANC only like businesses that are corrupted.

        • Stevo Jones

          The anc doesn’t care. “The less whites the better” is their motto.

          • Mamparra

            As in “I don’t care if this place becomes a cr*phole like Zim, as long as I’m in charge”.

      • Alain Craven

        Almost exactly the 10 bn that treasury is short for the 2016/2017 budget

      • Fanandala

        I wonder if that is the real figure. Our daughter went on a “holiday” to Germany in 2002 and has been back 3 times since. Our son and daughter in law left for a “working holiday” to New Zealand in 2010, they have been back twice to show the Baby around.

        I know of a lot of young people who have “disappeared” like that.

        I am still getting occasional phone calls for my sons cell phone, which I lend to all and sundry who come to visit me.

        Who lists these people as emigrated? Is there somebody who counts the passports.. exits?

      • djza

        I think your estimate of tax lost is extremely conservative – it is probably closer to 3 or 4 times that, but I agree fully that this could have made a huge difference to the fiscus.

  • Texas_Pete

    Been in USA 16 years, was hoping things sorted themselves out in order to return, sadly things are getting worse.

    • Lardus-For the Chimichangas!

      If you have a good life there, stay. Even people like me, who believed people like you to be “hensoppers” and “traitors” not willing to put in the hard yards, are starting to see the light. Thinking of Canada or NZ now, when once I could not fathom leaving SA!

      • NZ is awesome!

        • Lardus-For the Chimichangas!

          Was in Wellington in 2014 for Boks vs ABs. Was a great experience. That city is so clean, the air so fresh, and we felt so safe.

          • Anonymous

            Left SA almost 3 years ago, also thought I would never leave as I loved my country. Ended up a victim of crime, too traumatised to stay and finally saw the light. Now in New Zealand and wished I gotten here sooner rather than stuck it out so long, just wishing and praying that conditions in SA would change. Being in a first world country is so different, it of course has problems like any country – but I can sleep like a baby at night. Couldn’t do that back in Cape Town.

          • Stefan Buys

            I’m in IT (software development), keen on relocating to NZ. Any pointers?

            FWIW, I’ve registered with NZ immigration via nz.gov website and receive occasional job info, not sure if that’s the right approach though…

          • Anonymous

            Have you tallied up your points? http://www.immigration.govt.nz/pointsindicator/

            This is a starting point to figure out if you’re eligible to apply for a residency visa straight away or if you need to find a job first. Next, have a look on job sites like seek.co.nz to see if there is anything you are interested in applying for. You may be lucky to get a Skype interview from SA, but a lot of the employers prefer for you to be in the country.

      • Xonix

        I’m keen for Canada

        • hernandayoleary2

          Lol, forget Canada, you won’t be able to afford to get into the major real estate markets unless you bought in, in the 90s like I did. You should see how corrupt the governing provincial parties are, especially in Ontario and Quebec. Quebec is run by the mafia and Ontario is run by kleptocrats who steal from the people and disappear money at every turn. You go look on any Canada forum all people do is complain about corrupton, the iranians and chinese money coming here skipping all the lines, getting special treatment from the government, syrian refugees getting round after round of endless handout, the ever increasing tax level and falling standard of living and falling dollar (droped from us parity to 70 cents and is predicted to drop more), the welfare class who refuses to work but games the system, the equalization payments, the handouts to special interest groups.

          Frankly, I didn’t see much difference between Canada and SA, just that Canada’s squatter camps are put out of sight into the rural areas where they cannot be seen, and never mind homeless people, homeless WHITE people all over downtown Toronto.

          If you do go to Canada, think hard on what you want to do, they promise you a land of milk and honey, but unless you know someone there already, they don’t recongize your foreign qualifications in the private sector, hiring is who you know, not what you know up there…just like sA.

          • Xonix

            Well f*** me sideways…and here I thought it was all rosy, of course it has its good side but yeah you right, proper research is necessary.. It’s just that I know someone who relocated to Canada and he seems to be doing pretty well, A friend of mine recently moved to Switzerland and says its in totally different class than SA..

          • hernandayoleary2

            Where’d he relocate to in Canada and when. 5 years ago alberta was promising but the oil price has fallen so the western province and eastern are in huge recession, locals cannot find jobs, now, people are killing themselves, declaring bankruptcy, they have $1 million homes with no buyer and the bank would rather demolish a house then to cut the price.

          • Jay Wortman MD

            Of course we have our share of incompetent politicians and other problems common to developed democracies but the bleak picture you paint is far from the reality of life in Canada. There is plenty of opportunity here if you are skilled and willing to work. Real estate prices are high in the two major cities but there is a vast country in between. Probably most importantly, we have rule of law and a safe place to raise a family. There are no electrified barb wire fences and nobody is going to stick a gun in your face in even the poorest neighbourhoods in our big cities. We welcome South Africans and sympathize with their very difficult decision to leave their beautiful country to immigrate here.

      • Anonnic

        Same here, use to say the same. Until you wake up one morning and you ask yourself. Will things get better this year? You reply to yourself No. You ask yourself, do you see things getting better next year, You say to yourself No. Keep on going and you paint yourself a bleak picture. It’s not about the man, but what the man wants. Most Men want good work opportunity to make something of himself, Live without feeling like a second class citizen, Raise a family in a save environment knowing your daughter will not get raped walking down the street. Things like that make all of us question our lives in SA. I made a point to settle all my debt this year so I can leave early next year or even End of this year. I did not want to default and not be able to come back for 5 years.

      • Just wish I had the bucks to go…

    • Bash

      There is a problem with this kind of thinking- with all the able and good people leaving, the country with be left at the mercy of the criminal and corrupt. In time, that will escalate into the problem facing EU countries with the influx of refugees.

      Things cannot be expected to “sort themselves out” if the people capable of contributing to improving the circumstances are all leaving.

      This is the same mentality that expected Black people to miraculously reverse their living conditions after 1994 with nothing being given back except for a national policy (no land reform, no equity redistribution… just no effort.)

      People are actually proud of expressing this selfish and opportunist attitude. And brag about their unwillingness to try and make things work while complaining about the national state of disrepair and mismanagement.

      What is a government to do when the most financially influential sector of the population supports this kind of national sabotage? Because that is exactly what it is. So the rest of us have to try and improve and change and repair the issues with the lack of resources that the privileged are now running off with.

      So you would rather pay tax to a corporate entity like the Federal Reserve, which collects it for the IMF, than to a local government that is actually accountable, whether they like it or not.

      • Rick Forsythe

        I saw the video of the female Stellenbosch student on her hands and knees scrubbing a statue on campus while Open Stellenbosch students were busy gleefully defacing it while she was cleaning. It is a perfect microcosm of the biggest issue facing this country. I got tired of paying my taxes, volunteering and being a constructive citizen while watching so many people delight in tearing it down around me. I choose instead to make a contribution to a country that appreciates it.

        • LBS

          Good for you, I don’t blame you! If you’re young enough and have the opportunity, go!

          • peterq

            If you got children, go. They have no future here. When people are happy to live in the dirt while their leaders live the high life, what hope is there.

      • Anonnic

        Your the cynical guy that wants to believe in the good of all things. I get that too, I know your kind. You sir are the kind that does not survive. You are the same kind that will ask “Why oh Why” when your family is killed or raped ect. Only then will you think for yourself and say, I put myself and my family in that position because I wanted to see the good. You might want to see the good but there are at least 1000 people that will cut your head off in SA with a smile. Just remember that too!

      • LBS

        This entire business of having Black people reverse their living conditions backfired, because all the experienced people were forced to early retirement, retrenched, etc, just to be replaced with unskilled BEE. The truth hurts, I know, but instead of allowing the experienced engineers, etc, properly teach Blacks the jobs and the Blacks being satisfied for the time being with lower salaries, everything was thrown to the dogs! Need I say more? This Government brought it upon themselves and unfortunately all the illiterate and poor blacks are still suffering with no hope. Except if they wake up and vote DA!

        • peterq

          The problem is twenty years later they are still voting for the same. It can only change when they realise how to create their own wealth and vote for a government that works for them.

        • Stevo Jones

          I have black people ask me all the time (with a smugg knowing look) “who will you vote for next election?”

          Know what I tell them? “I’m voting anc, you obviously haven’t suffered enough yet”.

          • Mamparra

            Oh I love it. Thx for a brilliant Wed morning laugh. This is up there with whoever thought up ‘the Zuptas’ that Juju has taken over.

      • peterq

        You can only blame the ANC government, they have done everything to get rid of business. Look at the international trade agreements that are coming, completely anti-business. It is the ANC government doing the sabotaging. Look at Zuma, handing over National Treasury to his friends.

      • Mugabeisikulufa iAfrikanotso G

        I’m sure you know the definition of insanity. Those of us that have already, or are busy preparing to leave, are maybe just a bit quicker to catch on than you?
        Paying tax in support of corruption isn’t an option anymore. And I’ll gladly pay tax to a government that provides the services I pay for, wherever that government may be!

    • bengine

      My family has been in this country > 200 years buggered if I am going to go somewhere else. I see massive potential here – it may not seem like it now but it is there – unfortunately we might have to hit the bottom of the well before we can climb up again but the thing about South Africans – I am talking about real South Africans – ones who live in SA – is they are resourceful, resilient and relatively untainted by the crap that is insidiously creeping into so called first world countries.

      • LBS

        I so hope you are right, as I, as a retired person are unable to leave and my kids still feel the way you do!

      • Mamparra

        Well you probably can’t anyway? And in any case I’d agree with you that people should stay here – not for any ‘real’ reason apart from the fact that it’s way too late to leave now. Might as well stay here and bite the bullet until either it goes into Zim 2.0 mode (when you’ll probably get refugee status in Holland) or the Gang of Thieves are kicked out and somebody reasonable takes over. Depends how long you’ve got to wait. I reckon a minimum of ten years before the damage caused by the cadavers is overcome.

      • Byzie

        Hmmmmm just because you and your family decided to stay in South Africa, does not make you more of a South African than us who made the logical decision to leave our home. There are those who left as soon as the ANC took power, and there are those like myself, who stuck around till mid 2010 and left. We too stuck around for as long as possible, however it does not take a rocket scientist to see that SA is going to the dogs. We chose to leave because we want the best opportunities for our career, and most importantly for my kids one day. There is no way I am going to allow my children to grow up in a country where you are judged by the colour of your skin. In SA I would be known as a coloured…here im considered a South African.You are right though, we are resoursful and resilient. If only you knew how tough it is to leave your home country, family and friends ,to start from scratch in another? So carry on thinking that things will get better, until its too late. Until the rand plummets to a point where it is nearly impossible to leave. Leaving SA was the best decision ever…Auckland New Zealand is awesome ?

        • bengine

          Don’t take this personally, but any achievements by SA in the future belong to those who remain here. Those who chose to take on the challenge of fixing the problems. In my view you are now a foreigner – you have renounced your right to call yourself a South African. I have no problem with people who immigrate – as long as they acknowledge they are no longer South African and have no claim to any achievements or successes WE may achieve going forward. I know many of them who distance themselves from the failures – can’t have it both ways.
          There are many people in this country whose lives are hard – who don’t have the opportunity to move somewhere else. Everyone of us who leaves abandons these people to a dismal future. I also want the best for my career and kids – but I am going to find a solution that I can hit as close to that mark as possible while remaining here and making a difference to those less fortunate than myself. I will not abandon my country or my fellow countrymen.
          But that is just me.

          • Byzie

            Nah i dont take things personally, so its all good :-)Unfortunately, my identity, my heritage will follow me wherever i go in the world. My ID is South African, my passport is South African. So none of us South Africans who have left need to acknowledge anything. I just guess by your comment that you dont get the bigger picture here. People who care about their future not only for themselves but MOST importantly for their kids, are the ones like myself and many others leaving South Africa. You see it as abandoning , we see it as seeking better opportunities. There is more to life than “Fixing the problems” in a country where the government does not give a damn about you or any other South African. Where all our tax money is spent on Nklandla , private jets etc. If you and other devout patriots dont mind subjecting your kids to fear, racism , inequality…then by all means stay. In the 5 years iv been in NZ, Iv grown exponentially in my career, traveled and still travelling the world. When things get tough for you and your family…where is your fellow countrymen??? when you are being hijacked, house broken into, robbed…where is your fellow countrymen??Not even the police can help!! I totally understand those who do not have the means to leave , however each person has their own situation to deal with and no other fellow countrymen is there to help. In the end we cannot rely on our fellow countrymen to secure a bright future for ourselves. I really hope things get better for you and the rest of South Africa.

          • LBS

            Good luck and everything of the best in NZ. I would also rather leave if we had the means, as you say. My children are still very much home boys, it’s as if they still can’t get to grips with it, so I’ll pray and keep on hoping…. it’s all I can say.
            Tonight’s news was so disturbing again. EFF wanting nothing whatsoever, any indication of anything “Afrikaans” at the Universities. Where will it end? All Afrikaners killed or chased into the sea?? The sad part is, we can’t do much about it, there are not enough Whites, let alone Afrikaners, to stand up to them. I may be wrong, but that’s how I feel.

          • Byzie

            Thanks alot LBS 😉 There was a period where i did not want to leave. i could not see myself leaving my home country. I had a stable job working in IT at Nedbank. However, as time went by ,things got worse. In the end, it was not what I wanted for my kids one day.

            i really feel it for those who still in SA. My parents are still in SA, hoping for them to join me here in NZ or in Auz where my brother is.

            My advise would be to visit either auz or nz and experience things this side. At a point where i did not want to leave my friends and family, my brother came to visit NZ and Auz..and did not want to come home. From that moment, my mind changed. And i have never looked back since. i will however come home to visit in the future 🙂

          • LBS

            Good. Be very careful and vigilant when you do 🙂

      • Adam Young

        Everywhere and everyone has massive potential. The real question is what the likelihood is of that potential being realised. You can only climb out of the well again if you can survive the fall, and more and more people are realising that their odds of doing so are growing longer.

        I have found that the state of the country and its future prospects are subjects about which every person suffers a very strong confirmation bias. If you are heavily invested in staying, whatever the reasons, be they business, family, history or just stubborn bloody-mindedness, you’ll be mostly ignoring (or playing down) the negatives, focusing on the positives and hoping for the best. If you’ve decided to go, it’s not the kind of decision you can afford to second-guess, so you’ll be ignoring the positives, focusing on the negatives and counting yourself lucky to get out. It’s the nature of things that neither side of the argument will necessarily be right either, at least not at a level that applies to everyone – some will be better off staying, some better off going, but at some stage in the future, each side will be right and each will be wrong as the fortunes and prospects of the country and each person in it (or having moved out of it) shift one way and then the other…

        • bengine

          There is a difference between “hoping for the best” and rolling up ones sleeves and solving the problem. We make the bed we sleep in. I plan on making a difference – it will be hard but it is a worthwhile cause. If I left and found materialistic success in forn parts it would be empty. Do what you will but in my mind once you abandon these shores you surrender your claim on anything achieved here.

          • Adam Young

            Yes you’re quite right, except that “rolling up ones sleeves” doesn’t automatically lead to “solving the problem”, and I’d say that it’s the trend in the odds against rolled up sleeves having the desired effect for the average person that is leading so many people to emigrate. Yes, you can say it’s a self-fulfilling trend (the more leave, the worse the odds for those who don’t), but that’s the nature of reality – people who have families to consider (particularly those who can’t afford elaborate security and private schools) find that they are more concerned with their own family’s prospects than with those staying behind.

            I imagine that the people leaving are only too happy to surrender their claim on anything achieved here after they leave… after all, if they didn’t anticipate that it would involve bad things, they would probably not have left in the first place. Nostalgia for the place one grew up, or keeping abreast of the place where one has left friends and family does not count as having a claim on anything achieved.

          • bengine

            I hear the same rhetoric that I hear from all ex-pats – a desperate attempt to justify their choice. It is your choice – but don’t sit over there in your new home and type negative things about your ex-homeland and try to justify why you left while there are people making sacrifices to bring about a better world.
            “All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing” and “Those who think something is impossible should not get in the way of those achieving it” – I live by those statements. I may be naive, stupid, wasting my time etc but you get two type of people: those that run away from problems and those that face up to them and solve them. I cannot judge which you are as I don’t know your circumstances – but I like to think of myself as someone who faces problems. As for my family and my kids – I do this for them – so that when they grow up they have a chance of having a country they can call home – not feel like visitors in another country.
            Good luck to you wherever you are – you have made your choice – fine – but have the decency to at least try to offer some encouragement to those who have chosen to stay behind to make a difference.

          • Adam Young

            And as I said, it’s the same confirmation bias in those who choose to stay – as you call it, a “desperate attempt to justify their choice”. It doesn’t make either choice any more or less valid, and people who comment about the choice they made and their reasons for making it should be free to do so, just as you are free to comment on yours. Emigrants mostly still have ties and interests here – historical, familial and sometimes financial, so I see no reason to think they shouldn’t have the right to comment – that smacks of the worst kind of jingoism.

            As for people making sacrifices to bring about a better world, the ones who have left made plenty of sacrifices themselves to bring about what they hope will be a better world for them – and after all, the greater world is essentially just a collection of smaller ones, and to improve one of them, wherever it might be, is to improve the world in general. Whether you’re talking about financial, social or lifestyle sacrifices, don’t imagine that it’s easy for someone to pack up and go.

            For myself, though I have very strong familial, social and historical ties to SA, I have dual citizenship, no dependents and fairly mobile business interests. I find that it’s far easier to take the optimistic view of SA armed as I am with the option to evacuate at short notice. 😉 I could certainly not say for sure that, if I was responsible for others and needed years to emigrate, I wouldn’t start now while there are still years available in which to do it, and I certainly wouldn’t judge others harshly for doing so.

    • Marco Martin

      we are better off.chemtrails,GMO,false flags,greed,mass shooting,police brutality all on your doorstep.wake up

  • ShaunBall
    • Deon

      Shaun, give us a bit more info..

      • LBS

        Just click on the link, it’s easy ☺

    • Jonas Van Die See

      …stayed over on Horta in 2006 on a Trans-Atlantic trip. Will live there anytime. No crime, streets are clean & the bread is cheap… if you know what I mean.

      • Jonas Van Die See

        No, this is not Cecil John Rhodes…

  • James Dean

    The grass may be greener but it still has to be mowed. But having said that, I know of a semi retired franchisee owner that was told that he can only sell his business to a black person. If that’s not blatant racism I don’t know what is.

    • Sennen Goroshi

      WTF… are serious? next thing they will him to sell it for next to nothing…

      • James Dean

        Yep, from the horses mouth.

        • Sennen Goroshi

          isn’t there anything he can do..legally that is? This is wrong in many levels… I’m angry just thinkin about it.. imagine him..who’s going through such…

          • James Dean

            At the end of the day he will still get out the same amount of money regardless who he sells his business to except it can only be to a black person.

          • Sennen Goroshi

            At least he will still get the same amount.. however being dictated to as to who he wants to sell to still ain’t right…

          • Rick Forsythe

            Or he can sell it to whomever he wants and that black person can work hard to develop his own successful franchise through hard work. Wait, that defeats the “You Owe Me” mindset that you have adopted.

          • James Dean

            You’re missing the point. It’s not about incapability but singling out one race for an opportunity.

          • LBS

            Fact remains, why does he have to wait for a Black buyer if he already found a White one?

          • Bash

            Yeah it will be totally wrong to prevent him from selling to another loser who will pack up and run in 2 years…

          • Sennen Goroshi

            huh?

          • Henry Butler-Sloshed

            At least if he sells to whites the will have 2 years of good run. If he sells it to blacks the business goes down the drain almost immediately.

          • jandr0

            [If he sells it to blacks the business goes down the drain almost immediately.]

            Utter garbage comment.

          • jandr0

            It is HIS business. HIS sweat and effort.

            It is TOTALLY wrong to mandate to him what he does with HIS business.

            Unless, of course, you are a nosy, interfering busybody who insists on regulating OTHERS’ lives.

            I sense you may have a leaning towards the last… there are latent moralistic dictating tendencies in your comments (of course, always for YOUR view of the supposed “common good”).

            If I am wrong about you, feel free to claim otherwise. But then also leave other people alone to do with their businesses what they please.

          • Dale

            Does he really care, provided he gets the asking price? Does it matter, provided he gets the asking price?

            Franchisees have to abide by rules from Corporate Head Office. If this is one of their rules… so be it.

          • Fanandala

            Why should he care what the next guy does with the business. Why can’t he sell it for the best offer?

            Are you worried what the next owner of your car or refrigerator does with it? Will you only sell it to a black person? Will you give that person a “black discount”?

      • Jonas Van Die See

        Read the book “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand then you will come to the shocking realisation of what is actually happening in this country.

        • Bash

          Maybe… just maybe, those who are wealthy and have read the book is actually implementing the set of events to go beyond making a movie, but to apply the book to our most tangible reality???

          • Jonas Van Die See

            Exactly what I am implying.

      • Bash

        And why exactly is “black” so automatically synonymous with failure and corruption and loss?
        And you argue about the “racism” implied by this affair? How rich is that?

        • Sennen Goroshi

          “And why exactly is “black” so automatically synonymous with failure and corruption and loss?”

          Please oh please tell me how you came to this..from what I said…. oh and where exactly did i imply racism?

          • Henry Butler-Sloshed

            “because encouraging Africans to show some restraint and responsibility is racist” – Steve Sailer

        • Henry Butler-Sloshed

          “Corruption and loss?”

          Doesn’t the performance history of Africa after colonization and Apartheid prove it? What better proof do you need?

          • Nextlevel

            and IQ

          • hernandayoleary2

            So why is Nigeria richer free than under colonialism, why did Malian empire strecthing over 6+ major nations go from the richest in the world, to the poorest under white colonialism?

          • Henry Butler-Sloshed

            Stop listening to loony-left fantasists and come back to the ground.

            Malian empire indeed!

            Ask all Nigerians where would they rather be. The criminal Half would say SA and the other half US.

          • hernandayoleary2

            What was the gdp of nigeria in 1930?

            Nigerians would prefer to be in Nigeria.

          • Anonymous

            Aren’t most of the Nigerians in South Africa now?

        • Fanandala

          You mean blacks can’t be racist, and how is it not racist?

    • Jonas Van Die See

      MacDooooonalds.
      Engen.
      KFC.

      • James Dean

        Yep, one of them three 🙂

        • yodaho

          So why not say? They cannot damage you for stating facts.

        • LBS

          You shouldn’t have a problem if it’s KFC ☺

          • Ruxus

            LOL

    • Sifuna iqiniso

      He must sell it to whomever he feels would be the fittest buyer. Don’t be intimidated or dictated by the callous and the weak.

      • The range of buyers is restricted by the franchisor, who is forced to build up his own BEE score. The seller has basically no choice in the matter.

        • Jasper van der Westhuizen

          As short as possible: Engen already has a very good score. Nobody understands their obsessive commitment to “working out” the white franchisees. Anyway, the BBEEE Act makes it possible to compensate for the ownership issue by contributing to the community in various ways, all of which unfortunately, by nature, discriminate against us white folk. This only adds to my biggest concern; the fact that every time a white owner sells his business, the base that maintains our white communities gets eroded (please do finish reading before you start typing). Most black owners do not hire young white persons. They do not donate money to white churches or organizations that benefit white communities. For some reason black owners exclude white beneficiaries like it is an evil. Black parents at my kids’ school (and I do apologize if my personal experience causes any stereotyping) never put their hands up for the volunteering bits. On the other hand the white business owners I know donate to whomever comes knocking with good cause and good heart, as long as they (we) still have budget. Most white businesses hire across the full range of the rainbow. Many guys and girls I know volunteer readily en get involved in community projects… We, I, do this, not even to try to right the wrongs of the past, but because of an in-borne sense community (call it “ubuntu” if you like). However, conversely I do not see any effort by black people towards white people, as if we are magical beings living on another plane of existence which only becomes visible when something is needed or someone needs to be blamed. That is why we still need white owners. If they are gone. Who will support us?

    • Bash

      Shame.
      So you want the country to improve, while you do what you can to retain the benefits of the toxic fallout of Apartheid? That is illogical.

      The shallowness of people’s thinking amazes me. I know it shouldn’t, but it does. I struggle- most of us do. But I see it as a test of my creativity, rather than an affliction. Sometimes the most apparently lost causes are the sources of the most fulfilling life purposes. But one needs a sense of social morality to understand this, I guess.

      • James Dean

        You should rather be angry with the few blacks that continue to receive government tenders year after year. There’s your wealth distribution problem right there.

      • LBS

        The fact that he is FORCED to sell to a Black person does not make him a Racist, wanting to “reain the benefits of the toxic Apartheid”. He may have had plenty White offers and no Black ones, but are not allowed to accept it. Please, take that huge chip off your shoulder!

  • Dylan Kuchiki Clarke

    What do you expect when animals roam the streets killing people for no reason.
    Soon South Africa will be starving when all the farmers are killed and then only will we join the rest of real Africa, civilization can never last in an uncivilized continent.

    http://ewn.co.za/Media/2016/02/11/ANC-EFF-Clash

    I am planning my immigration very soon.

  • NosySnoopy

    Then there are the sub-millionaire tax-paying citizens that are being robbed with Tax, crime and legislation, abused with high interest rates and blamed for all the problems in South Africa. They are still here, but for how long. If they leave?

  • NetworkGeek

    On my way to Germany 🙂

    • straight8

      Watch out for emigrants – hasta salaami

  • Skoppienaai Sewinduit

    Visa for Oz was approved yesterday!!! Woohoo! And no, I’m not rich, unfortunately, just lucky to get a job there.

    • Jonas Van Die See

      Ag nee man, nou gaan ons jou mis… Maar toemaar, Zambia het ‘n groot rivier…

    • Rick Forsythe

      Congrats dude. Best decision you have ever made!

    • LBS

      We still want your famous Capetonian kind of name to appear here on a regular basis – keep us informed! Good luck and well done! ☺

    • Brian

      Wish I could say, good luck to you mate… Unfortunately I am an Australian and I am not rich too mate, who for the last couple of years has been very underemployed due to the mining down turn. Why do you think you are entitled to work at the expense of local workers jobs. I have seriously had a guts full of having to compete with foreigners for jobs.

      What you people don’t appreciate is the very crowded job market in Australia. In fact the Australian Government in my opinion are betraying Australian born, by even contemplating allowing this to happen.

      All they really want is to reduce local salaries by importing foreign labour. You are also about to find out how expensive it is to live in Australia… Unbridled foreign ownership of property in Australia has sent the price of real-estate rocketing and made accommodation scarce and expensive.

      A South African guy I know in Perth, supplies Surveying Equipment, also confirmed what I have suspected. Foreign workers from Ireland are destroying the Survey Industry as these people will work for $25 an hour. When I am working I actually receive $35 an hour on contract jobs; which isn’t all that great anyway. We are being sold down the river big time…

      I am currently visiting my South African wife who is happy to continue to live in SA.

      • Rick Forsythe

        Yeah, mining is taking a pounding and that is more to do with the economy than foreigners. Unfortunately mining follows boom and bust cycles and we are in the middle of a bust cycle.

        I am in IT and there is a huge skills shortage in Australia. I have been looking for jobs for less than two weeks and have had three job offers that I am considering. One over $120,000 per year.

        A lot of us immigrants are bringing skills that are genuinely needed and are contributing positively to the Australian economy.

        • Byzie

          Yeah , I am also in IT but here in NZ. The scope for IT professionals is huge both in Auz and NZ. The best thing about it is if for instance you get $85000 a year in one job, if you look for another job, the next employer is obligated to pay you more than your previous job.

          So career prospects are awesome this side of the world 🙂 Plus our taxes really get put to good use 🙂

  • Konstabel Koekemoer

    While I agree that a lot of South Africans are leaving I do question the figures in this report. If the measure of wealth is in USD then a quite a few Dollar millionaires who were on the border line would have slipped below the line last year due to the steep depreciaton of the Rand. Also with such negative past figures why are they predicting 10% growth in the next two years?

    • Anonnic

      Because they that 10% will come from Government funding… 🙂

    • Fanandala

      The more financially alert people advised to ship money out of the country before the big fall.
      Who forecast 10% growth???

  • Born_African

    ABSA just turned me down for employment cause I am white (I have proof) so did AdaptIT. I developed an extreme specialised skill in IT using my own creativity and market analysis. I don’t understand the logic. Regardless, I will take my skills elsewhere. Who is the actual looser here ?

    • AnRkey

      Well, your looser spelling skills suggest that you’re the loser. 😉

      • Henry Butler-Sloshed

        Well, bad speller is better of than you. He is leaving this hellhole to ANC and you (the good speller).

        • Cynic Scepticism

          Better of than you? Seriously? The phrase is “better OFF than”. Your ability to express yourself with an unparalleled attention to detail is what sets you apart from the guy who wrote his CV in crayon. If you can’t even be bothered to spell and grammar check your own communication, how can you be trusted to deliver quality work?

          • Ruxus

            @Cynic Scepticism Typing in a hyped frame of mind can lead to some grammatical errors, does not detract from the issue. I too code, and my spelling sucks, doesn’t make me a bad coder nor my skills redundant.

          • Cynic Scepticism

            While defending somebody with poor language skills, he goes and exhibits some poor language skill of his own. I appreciate the irony, that’s all.

          • Ruxus

            So you’re the scream at parties, correcting everyone. cudos mate.

          • Cynic Scepticism

            Yes, that’s me.

          • LBS

            And THOSE are the most boring people you can find! Always seeking attention on these forums with nothing else to say but correcting people’s errors. Tsk

          • Henry Butler-Sloshed

            As I said, in the end the good speller gets the wrong end of the stick.

            See if you can spot intentional spelling error.

          • Henry Butler-Sloshed

            Your ability to be pedantic and concentrate only on what in your small mind is important is pathetic.

            See the big issues, forget about style and grammar. Concentrate on what ANC is doing to this country instead of looking for spelling mistakes.

          • Cynic Scepticism

            Why should I concentrate on what the ANC is doing? I have better things to do. My ability to be pedantic is God-given, and your assumption that my mind is small, well, is your assumption.

        • AnRkey

          True 🙁

    • Gary Fields

      They are not alone. many institutions are accepting only blacks these days. I have some friends who wanted to send their son to study veterinary science – they were told the institutions will only be accepting blacks. Same story has been heard about medical students. That’s the way it rolls these days.

    • Cynic Scepticism

      The person who doesn’t know the difference between “cause” and “because”? The person who thinks ABSA and AdaptIT are worse off for not hiring him when he is the person who can’t even spell the word “loser” correctly, and then wonders why nobody wants to hire him? You got me. What’s the answer?

      Did you develop an “extreme” specialised skill or an “extremely” specialised skill? I’m confused. What is an “extreme” IT skill? Can you write code while bungee jumping without a rope?

      • Rick Forsythe

        Yes, because people put the exact same effort into a CV as they do replying to an anonymous comment thread…

        • Cynic Scepticism

          Maybe. Maybe not. I just don’t see the point in doing anything if you are incapable of, or unwilling to do it properly.

          • Sean Redmond

            If something is worth doing, it is worth doing it well.

      • Greg_Shark

        those are very common faults in the new generation, IT types, reporters, etc…..but you got the message hey?

        • Cynic Scepticism

          I did, but still, you rant about not being considered for a job, and in the course of your rant you do all the things that would make me not hire you either. The irony is rife!

          • Anonymous

            You hire people to teach English then?

          • Cynic Scepticism

            No, I hire people to be perfectionists, because that is a quality that ensures personal pride in their work, and high quality output from such individuals. People who think it is okay to lower your standards simply because you are on an online forum clearly don’t take enough pride in what they do.

      • Those seem to be standard MyBB contributor spellings. (I know the Oxford Dictionary disagrees with them.)

        • Cynic Scepticism

          Maybe things were just different in my day. Having your written word exist as an extension of yourself. Your stamp on the world saying “Hey! Look at me!”. To have it riddled with mistakes (willing or not) is just a sign of laziness as far as I am concerned.

      • Born_African

        Look at you.,Offending people on a social media platform and then demanding answers while hiding behind ur little fake name.

        BTW..I did share your comments in my office today. Thanks for the entertainment.

        • Cynic Scepticism

          Your life must have sucked quite a bit with a name like Born African. At least you are not hiding behind a little fake name.

        • Cynic Scepticism

          I apologise for offending you. I didn’t realise you were able to pick up on it. I will use bigger words next time.

      • Anonymous

        If you think specialising in IT is dependent on perfect spelling and grammar, I think you’ve missed the point.

        • Cynic Scepticism

          Actually, I haven’t. As a developer, I know that development languages follow rules much in the same way written and spoken languages do. So, making spelling mistakes, and ordering code statements (grammar) as you see fit, instead of the way it was meant to be, will see your code not compiling or exhibiting strange, unwanted behaviour. I reiterate: Just because you are chatting on an online forum, there is no excuse for lowering your standard of perfection. If you can’t do simple things well, how can anyone trust you to operate in complex environments such as are rife all over the IT field?

  • Gary Fields

    Man! I can’t wait for my immigration to Outer Mongolia to be approved.

  • Anonnic

    How we measure wealth in Africa and the EU is not the same. Only when people in Africa realize that will they be able to save themselves from their lot.

  • juan camacho

    I’m planning to emmigrate to Nigeria, I cant wait to move out of South Africa, too much corruption and crime

    • LBS

      Ha ha, what? NIGERIA? Oh Brother! You MUST be joking, right?

      • hernandayoleary2

        Nigeria is growing at 6%

        • LBS

          Yip, with all the scams they get away with but they are still in so much debt that they even con MTN to pay for it! I mean, MTN was wrong, yes, they should be fined, YES, but that amount? Ridiculous. !!!!

          • hernandayoleary2

            Funny because Israel, Europe, Canada and America are running far more scams and bigger scams to pension funds like derivatives and lets not forget Enron and Bernie Madoff and the megabank scams that plunged the world into a recession. Whose fault really is it if you give your money over the email prince muburi? You have to be willfully blind in my view.

  • Ninja Cat

    There is a maxim of roman law that says, “He that be deceived,
    let him” – and yes we have all been deceived, believe it or not,
    ignorance is still bliss.

    The world’s REAL masters (the same group of individuals responsible
    for there actually being no money in SA) are sitting back laughing at
    us. Do
    you know that RSA as a nation pays hundreds of billions
    (probably trillions) of sa
    rands each year in INTEREST alone (via TAX) on loans our govt
    has taken from PRIVATELY owned foreign banks (yes these banks
    have a small group of share holders), who have no interest in
    bettering our country in any way, in fact quite the opposite.

    The actual figures right now are R4000 interest on our “National
    Debt” per second. R240 000 per minute and about R355 000 000 (355
    million per day) – INTEREST alone. If you cannot see something wrong
    with that, then there is no hope for us all. Competition board anyone ?

    Where did this group of private individual share holders get
    the power to control our money ? The power to dictate interest
    rates as well make loans to all 58 million south africans from
    abroad ? Think about it, this is a small group of private
    foreign individuals, which all 58 million of us are indebted to @ a rate of R355 million interest per day !!!

    The treasury of a country should have
    the power to control its own money supply, that money being backed by gold or
    silver – instead of begging and pleading privately owned foreign
    banks to loan us fiat (money with no backing, us citizens are the backing) currency at huge
    interest rates.

    The deception is that we have been led to believe that PRIVATE companies
    should control the entire worlds money supply – with no investment back into any nation, only into their private affairs.

    I can already hear conspiracy: google a book called “Inside the South
    African Reserve Bank – Its Origins and Secrets Exposed” –
    authored by a former DIRECTOR (S Goodson) of the SARB who has for some
    reason found a conscience

    • Henry Butler-Sloshed

      And the whole world is ruled by lizards, in human masks, from the space. And Hitler and his army are still alive and live on the other side of the moon!

      R355million X 365 days = R129. 6 Trillion

      South Africa’s GDP: US $350 billion X 16 = R5.6 Trillion

      So, according to you we are paying in interest alone 23X times our GDP. Can we print money that fast?

      • Ninja Cat

        Wow, talk about going off on a tangent lolz. I never mentioned anything besides real numbers, and apparently we can, hence my comment: nationaldebtclocks[dot]org/debtclock/southafrica

      • Mamparra

        More importantly, can the lizards make the wheelbarrows we’ll need to carry our dosh in, fast enough?

        • Ninja Cat

          Come on guys lets have some real arguments here – it appears you have no proof so you just re-regurgitate some idiotic nonsense you have read somewhere. How is it that you are presented with some factual arguments about privatised banking and your replies refer to lizards ? Are you for real ?
          Its the same as you all arguing your points about ANC corruption being the problem here, and some idiot replies with “oh no that is all nonsense because they grow bananas in Limpopo”. Yes that is actually how ridiculous your arguments sound … and exactly the point i was making

          • Mamparra

            Erm, I’ve never heard of this guy, but when I just now read an M&G report that notes he is an admirer of Hitler and more importantly a holocaust denier, I certainly wouldn’t believe much of what he says. You obviously do, and therefore there isn’t much point in trying to debate with you.

            I’ll go with the lizards, though.

          • Ninja Cat

            Erm, RSA being bled dry for private profits is my point here. This guys personal beliefs are irrelevant. He worked as a director at the reserve bank for more than 10 years – so this is the type of person that is hired by our central bank, and its all ok until they stop playing along ?

            How about you do some of your own research. Don’t listen to anyone. Why don’t you start with JFK’s executive order number 11110 and go from there. JFK gave the power back to the Treasury of the US govt to issue money again, as apposed to only the federal reserve bank having that power. We all know what happened to Mr. Kennedy, only 5 months later, strange that. It also might be a good idea to read more than 1 article before making your mind up.

            But its ok, we will all keep complaining about Govt corruption until the end of time (in every country its the same story “Govt Corruption”), while we keep paying billions annually (interest alone) to private companies without any questions, actually with the majority of people arguing that this is ok, while we keep fighting among each other for the scraps. Perhaps a fate we deserve.

          • Mamparra

            Talking of American presidents, this guy – and you too, with what sounds like a very serious conspiracy theory condition – reminds me of what Ronald Reagan said of Jimmy Carter years ago ‘A man who says he enjoys a cold shower every morning can lie about other things too’.

            And I actually find your dismissive attitude about the rank corruption in this country as offensive in the extreme. You really do need to have a serious think about what you just said.

          • Ninja Cat

            You are keep insisting that 2 TRILLION Rand debt, owed by an entire nation to a private company is justified,

            My argument here is that a private company should not have the power to loan money to entire countries, to the tune of 2 TRILLION rand. Where did they get this power from ? A
            country is able to create its owned money backed by gold.

            A few million rand, or even a couple billion is nothing
            compared to 2 Trillion Rand. I am not dismissing govt corruption, merely pointing out the fact that you are arguing over what is pennies compared to the real money leaving this country, looking in the wrong place for real answers.

            Perhaps you need to start thinking about what you are actually saying. 2 Trillion private theft is ok – but a couple billion (if that) govt theft, is a big no no.

            None are ok, but one dwarfs the other.

          • Mamparra

            “A few million rand, or even a couple billion is nothing
            compared to 2 Trillion Rand”

            What ‘a few billion rand’ are you talking about? You’re a nutter!

            How about SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION RAND – and that’s only what we’ve heard about – that has been stolen by YOUR Gang of Thieves (they must be ‘yours’ seeing as how you are so thick you can’t even get the figures right!!!!) over the last twenty years?? You have the audacity to call that ‘pennies’??? If we multiply it by a figure of say three to cover the stuff the auditors DIDN’T find and it takes it up to a figure of, well blow me down with a trollduster, TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED BILLION RAND, which the last time I looked was – no it surely can’t be, but it is – TWO TRILLION RAND.

            Stop spewing rubbish from an idiot that apparently was yet another bullduster taken on by this government of idiots and finally kicked out. As your Beloved Leader is going to be, and the sooner the better.

            Really.

          • Ninja Cat

            Wow, an answer much like i expected, really it is. Full of personal attacks, condescending comments and assumptions. Why is that you keep on attacking me personally ? You dont have an answer to my argument – so you keep getting personal. You must be a real cool guy to talk face to face with.

            You still dont get it.

            As i said neither is right, both are WRONG !!!! Did you not read what I said ? FYI, I dont have a leader, they are all just as bad as each other – but yet again you assume and talk down to me, thats all of you have done so far. A real nice chap you must be. I dont support any political party, so lets just nip that in the bud.

            What YOU are saying is that government theft is wrong BUT private theft is OK ?
            It definitely sounds like this is what you are saying. You keep harping on government this government that, in an argument over private debt, you have not offered 1 argument so far as to why the private debt is OK, just the same BS about govt govt.

            I am saying that BOTH are wrong. I said it already, and you try to make me out as some kind of a government sympathiser. Completely wrong mate.

            Our national debt is currently 2 Trillion Rand. This is not going back 20 years – this is what it is NOW. If we had to add up what we have paid in 20 years in debt well I cant tell you the numbers, but it will definitely be more than 2 trillion rand. Wake up.

            So lets put it like this:

            We have 2 problems, in an attempt to make this crystal clear to u.
            1. Govt Corruption – so please drop that argument (agreed)
            AND
            2. Privately owned debt

            You keep INSISTING that the private debt (theft) is OK – well it is NOT ok. And just IN CASE you missed what I just said, government theft is NOT ok either.

            So please do not come back talking some BS about some beloved leader or anything unrelated to the topic at hand. The government theft is agreed upon. That argument is done and dusted.

            You are trying your best to change what I am saying. Last time NEITHER are OK.

            Except I acknowledge both problems – while you can only accept 1 of them for some strange reason.

          • Mamparra

            Well I suppose what should I expect from a troll with only 6 whole postings to his name?

            How many pseudonyms have you used already? I suppose I should have checked before getting dragged into arguing with you. Well I have now, and this ‘discussion’ is well and truly over.

            We don’t need trolls on this forum, so eff off.

  • Wurnman

    lucky bastards..

    • RainbowMan

      Or they’re just very pissed that the zANC drove them to leave a country that they will always love, but can’t accept the risks living in.

    • Fanandala

      “…. you still want to be part of this country.” I cannot see anything wrong with that. They quite possibly have friends and family here. And definitely memories and a sort of allegiance.

  • Henry Butler-Sloshed

    Young white Sefricans (<45 years old) should leave as soon as they can. Their focus should be theirs and childrens future. And there is NO future in majority ruled South Africa.

    Us old timers, we focus on the present and past. We can last it out and hopefully die before ANC makes SA another African hellhole. We can still enjoy our big houses with gardens, domestics, gardeners, our pools, etc…

    Especially if the houses are paid off and we run our small businesses and don't much interact with unions and AA and BEE crap.

  • Blake

    Oh my Oh my. I am still here and we still haven’t learnt from history.
    HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF!!! Africa has such along history of countries going down the drain and we still keep thinking that South Africa is different. The only way for South Africa to change is for it to first hit absolute rock bottom and then to start rebuilding.
    Try telling a person living in a shack that we are about to be classified junk status and he will have no clue what you are talking about. He and his family need food tonight, and some guy on TV or the internet telling him the country is in turmoil means nothing. He lives for now, not tomorrow. If the rand falls to some ridiculous level, do you really think the masses care. These people have not been taught what this all really means. It has happened time and again all over Africa.
    The “when we’s” (ex Rhodesians) warned us when they left in 1980 and we all laughed and said – “what happened to you could never happen here” and WELL?!!!
    The Rhodesian Dollar was stronger than the rand and where is the Zim dollar today? Check out the time lines as to how the Zim dollar fell over 20 years compared to the SA rand and you will find some interesting similarities. We are on the way to the same fate.
    BUT the masses don’t care and that is completely understandable. When you have nothing why should you care that someone else will suffer. You are already suffering. If I live in a shack why should I care that you have lost your beautiful home because your investments are worthless.
    If you can and you are able to get the hell out NOW!!! If you have children get the hell out NOW!!!
    For us that leaving is not so easy we will have to face the fact we are going to suffer. We need to make the best of a truly terrible situation that is about to happen.
    I once asked an old Jewish guy why they didn’t leave Germany when the Nazis came to power and he said that who could have believed that it would end up the way it did. Nobody had a clue that the Nazi’s rhetoric on Jews would result in what eventually took place. His father had a good but small business and the old man said that the Nazi’s were all talk and threats but it would blow over. Yeah sure it blew over!
    We all believe that things can’t get any worse but just as frogs will ultimately get used to hot water and then boiling water and then not realize that they are dying so we are adapting to a genocide that is coming.
    I have watched first hand the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and the Tutsis could not believe what the Hutus had planned. When it was to late there was no where to go. This is a country that only has 2 tribes. We have many more.
    Do you really think that Zulus will accept other tribes to rule? We have had Xhoza’s till Zuma arrived. And the Zulus were never happy. I have worked in Pondoland and Zululand and while Mandela and Mbeki were in power alot of money was put into the old Transkei. When Zuma came in all monies went to Zululand. The ANC will never allow another tribe – Tswana, Pedi, Sotho, Venda, etc into their inner circle. Just like the Afrikaner did with the Broederbond.
    Tribalism is probably one of South Africa’s biggest downfalls. This is an African enigma which we cannot change in our lifetime. Europe had similar problems for hundreds, if not thousands of years and it took them into the 20th century to solve most of their disputes. It will take the “Dark Continent” a lot longer.
    The Rand will continual to fall and before you know it you will be pushing a wheelbarrow stacked with ‘funny money’ to try and buy a loaf of bread.

    • straight8

      I often feel like a jewish german 🙂

  • Little Bo Peep

    Not all HNWIs who leave the country are white.

  • Canada, here I come!

    • thornik

      Too cold for southafrican 🙂 Snow which is high as your eggs is not what you prepared for!

      • I’d still rather take my chances with the snow. 😛

  • thornik

    Blacks should understand: they live just thanks to whities. While SA has white business, it moves forward. Racist BEE should be stopped. Gov. positions should be cleared and refilled with white, educated guys – ONLY ONE way to save the country!
    But fat underpriviledged idiots continue to fill pockets, they already have the place to immigrate. What OTHER blacks will do in case crisis ruins the country completely? That’s the question every blackie should ask himself before Election.

  • Animal Ambassodor

    so what??

  • keith

    This is very true, im the ceo of opimus investments ltd now based in Gibraltar and we have ober 30 mails a week from south africa.

  • Hugo Diedericks

    We left and it’s been a fantastic 2 years to date, no BEE you work hard and get the rewards, low crime, cheap fuel, cheap food, cheap cars, low unemployment, everything works, come to the USA you will not regret it….the ANC said you can complain till you are blue in your face or leave..so we left! Thank You ANC you did us a favour!

  • BlinkeredBill

    I find it quite ironic how dismissive some people are towards those of us who have opted to leave. Isn’t it for the exact same reason some our ancestors checked out of wherever and headed to distant shores? SA is now one of those places one can define as a good place to come from but not a good one go to…

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