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11 things you’ll be fined R40,000 for in Durban from Friday

11 things you’ll be fined R40,000 for in Durban from Friday

New by-laws for the Ethekwini Municipality are set to kick in Friday, 11 March, that will see citizens facing a R40,000 fine or two years imprisonment for being a “public nuisance”.

Details of the by-laws first emerged in late 2015, when the municipality gazetted the  “Nuisances and Behaviour in Public Places” by-laws, which will seek to  help officials run the city properly by encouraging people to avoid disruptive practices.

Durban is set to play host to the Commonwealth Games of 2022, following a unanimous vote by the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) in Auckland, New Zealand late last year.

The coastal city will become the first African city to host the prestigious event.

Under the by-law prohibited conduct includes:

  • Nuisance behaviour in public places;
  • Allowing vegetation on your property to grow out of control;
  • Hanging of items on fences, walls, balconies and verandas,
  • Noise;
  • Litter;
  • Conduct regarding vehicles such as washing and repairing vehicles in public spaces;
  • Obstructing, blocking or disturbing traffic and pedestrians;
  • Excavation in public places;
  • Weed-killers, herbicides, poisons and pesticides;
  • Vandalism of municipal property and
  • Nuisance arising from the use of premises.

The full by-laws can be found here.

“Any person convicted of an offence under this by-law is liable to a fine not exceeding R40,000 or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding two years, or to both the fine and imprisonment.

“In the case of continued offence, an additional fine of an amount not exceeding R200 or imprisonment for a period not exceeding 10 days, for each day on which the offence continues, will be imposed,” eThekwini Municipality said.

The amount of the fine will be determined on the offence committed, it added.

“Abusive, threatening or foul language or gestures will not be tolerated in public spaces. Neither will fighting, urinating or defecating in public.”

“The public will not be allowed to bath or wash in public unless it is part of a religious or cultural ceremony and permission has been sought. Any member of the public caught spitting, performing any sexual act, appearing in the nude or exposing genitalia will also face prosecution.”

The municipality said it will also get tough on public drinking. “Consumption of liquor, being drunk in public, gambling and the use of drugs is forbidden. The public may also not lie down or sleep on any bench, street or sidewalk in a manner that prevents other people from using it. Begging for money or goods with gestures and words is also banned.”

Shouting, screaming or making any other loud, persistent noise including amplified noise is also prohibited.

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  • Gary Fields

    lol … good luck with that.

    • McTSA

      Without enforcement it isn’t worth excrement.

  • Yaseen Sabi

    “democracy” nice joke

    • Demosthenes

      ‘Democratic’ to publicly urinate and deliberately cause a health hazard?

  • DudeWithPetLeopard

    Lol. A large percentage of taxi drivers would have been in prison today. All bark… or aimed at the meek

  • RainbowMan

    They love making new rules and laws, …..but there’s zero policing of these.

    Many of these rules and laws wouldn’t be needed if you could rely on reasonable social standards and culcha.

    • IceMan

      Only policing is when ‘they’ enforce it on people which is not their ‘own’ kind.
      Look the other way when it comes to their ‘own’ kind or even join in

      • Demosthenes

        ‘racist’ alert.

      • Iain Robertson

        If you think about it carefully, they have shot themselves in the foot. The carboard army, mainly white beggars, standing still at the robots holding a bit of card with a message on it are ok, because they aren’t contravening “Begging for money or goods with gestures and words is also banned”.

        However, Sipho by pointing to his mouth while falling to his knees beside your car and the white-faced, false large-arsed dancing and whistling bandits jigging about in the traffic are, and should therefore be arrested.

  • Hahahaha this is kak funny.

  • Real Ist

    Effing laughable. Money making scam and they cannot even (can’t be bothered to) enforce other things that they should be.

    • James Dean

      You need a machete to cut a path just to walk your dog.

    • Demosthenes

      Why is it laughable?

      We’re the first to complain that the City doesn’t do anything (Directly by mandate, or indirectly through culture change) to keep the city clean, yet we complain and label it a money making scheme when they do try something?

      If it were a money making scheme, they would have made the penalty less severe. People aren’t driven to change their habits if the fine is R50. R40,000 is a deterrent. After the first 5 offenders are hauled to jail for 2 years because they cannot afford the fine, it’ll cause people to think twice about actually being a ‘nuisance’ to the City. I particularly give kudos for a council that agreed (non-partisan) to this by-law. We just need it to work a few times, and we need to stand for the by-law when the bullies (Taxis, particularly) come along to try get the council to retract it.

      If you’re looking for something laughable, I believe that’s where your second comment comes in; the enforcement. But it won’t be laughable, it’ll be worrying if they cannot enforce it. I think we need to take responsibility as citizens to actively report nuisances so that council (at least has the option) to allocate resources based on demand in certain areas. They can’t allocate it they don’t know about it. If they do know about it and they don’t do anything, THEN we have a problem. And THEN we need to protest. But to protest a very sensible by-law that benefits the city? It’s very unwise. Save your protest for the inefficient enforcing, but don’t protest the by-law.

      Elaborate, I know.
      And to comment on the weeds, I do agree, kinda looks like they’re trying a box-hedge effect on the roadside gutters.

      • Real Ist

        Laughable because of exactly this : “it’ll be worrying if they cannot enforce it. I think we need to take responsibility as citizens to actively report nuisances so that council (at least has the option) to allocate resources based on demand in certain areas.”

        Be keen to see some feedback down the line exactly how that works out effectively. I can guarantee IF it was enforced properly and every reported incident was actioned accordingly a) we would see a large percentage of the average person on the street in jail and b) toyi toyi, rock throwing, strikes and a caving in on the newly implemented by laws.

        • Demosthenes

          But, it’s a deterrent. It’s not meant to put a large portion of people in prison. It’s meant to put just a few away in order to change the culture. Once the first few are put away, it’ll change peoples minds very quickly. Look at New York City in the 80’s, trash-city deluxe. No different to Durban. Took some bold new laws & acute mitigation of certain nuisances to change the culture.

          Enforcing is going to be a big one, but if Durban is serious about this, and about Commonwealth 2022, they’ll put more desperate funding & training into Metro Police.

          • Real Ist

            I don’t disagree with you at all about it being a deterrent and so forth.
            My issue is with the enforcement of it. I simply do not see it happening, I hope I am wrong but I do doubt it.

          • If its not enforced its not a deterrent, look at drink driving and driving while talking on a cell (in hand)… If you don’t enforce its a waste of money and time to implement.

        • Bovril24

          Yes – there is no way it can be enforced – and the first actual fine of R40 000 (or even half that) is likely to start a street war.

          Anyway, it’s proven around the world that the chance of detection/prosecution is a far more effective crime deterrent than the size of the punishments. (Why the death penalty has never really deterred murder.) So have a R50 fine but ensure a 95% arrest level (like the Singapore police) and the law will work. Fat chance of that in Africa!.

          • Iain Robertson

            You are right, it comes down to a risk/reward evaluation. You can have the punishment as draconian as you wish, but if there is a low risk of detection, prosecution and punishment for an action, then the reward level drops and the crime is far more likely to be committed.

          • xdoomx

            The fine is not R40,000. That is the figure placed on the maximum possible fine.
            That’s the way bylaws are written. By the gross misunderstanding of this it would appear not many people have ever read them.
            Also, this article is such link bait, desiiiigned to rile everyone up, generate shares and a comment furore. Suckers/

      • Fred Johnson

        Laughable it is! Surely if you are going to fine people for littering you first need to attempt to change their mindset by educating them about the health matters therefrom and try to change their point of view that they are ‘creating jobs’ by doing this?

    • Fully agreee, it is indeed laughable. Let me offer Demosthenes a few examples.

      Many moons ago a certain Shaik convinced government to implement a driver license system which will reduce road carnage. The logic, renew licenses every five years, test eyes and the death toll will drop. Huh, has it? In fact, has any zero tolerance or other initiative for that matter?

      Then came the fire arm license fiasco. Change a “for life” fire arm license to a “renew every five/ten years” license and see how crime will drop. Oh and make the process expensive and as tedious as possible. The result? SAPS is now in a much better position to criminalise otherwise good citizens. BUT, has crime dropped? Does it bother criminals with illegal guns?

      Right, next up is AARTO. Deduct points from transgressors with possibility to loose drivers license. Very good system in theory, EXCEPT … someone without a driver’s license hasn’t got points to deduct from. So he/she still doesn’t care how they drive.

      Now onto Durban. Where does pissing next to road fit in? Ok, onto the implications. Imho this is an extremely bad piece of law. Think ito the financial and social burden this will place on people who are charged/sentenced. Yes, he/she washed a car in a parking lot, BUT he/she was feeding three or four people back home. Now you remove that individual (read bread winner) from society for up to two years. I think not.

    • Fred Johnson

      Eish! Sorry- Fining not possible- they always have a good excuse.

  • I dont know better

    Does the constitution not apply in Durban? Because a large amount of this conflicts the constitution

    • Jannie Van Der Walt

      It would, except if any of these action affects me as not being the party referred to. Point is you are pretty much free to do anything as long as it does not affect innocent third parties. That’s the general issue when it comes to shouting constitutional rights. An example would be our hooligan students depriving the majority of students of the right to study.

    • William Ric-Hansen

      In what way does this conflict with the constitution? I never read the “freedom of pissing” clause

  • Frank Wallace

    Just wait for it …. soon its going to be labelled ‘racist’

  • Jim Stockley

    “washing and repairing vehicles in public spaces” …. so they will be fining the taxis being washed in Old Fort Road? That should be fun to watch 😉

    • Johnoe01

      Not to mention the noise nuisance….

  • James Dean

    Littering.

    They gonna make a killing on boxing day according to Penny Sparrow.

  • Apa_Kirimo

    Deal with the taxi obstruction menance and well all be happy

  • James Logan

    “Weed-killers, herbicides, poisons and pesticides”. There is no verb there. Are they just going to arrest everyone who owns a can of Doom?

    • Nit Wit

      Yeah, that one makes zero sense!
      I use a baited poison to kill off Northern harvester termites in my garden in Gauteng on a weekly basis. It only targets the termites. I also use weed killer to kill off weeds on my driveway and the street. If these bylaws were enacted in Gauteng it means I must rather just let nature take over? Oh wait … I’ll get fined for “Allowing vegetation on your property to grow out of control”. Seriously?! Who was the tree hugger idiot who came up with these bylaws?

      • Jonathan Christen

        LOLOLOL!!! You arent allowed to kill the vegetation on your property, but you arent allowed to let it grow wild either. I think a gardening service came up with that bylaw

  • Iain Robertson

    Easy life for lazy Metro Cops now.

  • Guest

    First world laws in a 3rd ( maybe 4th going to get worse) country lol. If the police takes a drive an enforce this in one weekend night in the city and surrounding areas they would make millions in one day. Taxi drivers alone would contribute more than half of that million for disrupting ,blocking and disturbing traffic and pathetic driving. Let alone the “people” who litter like it’s their culture. Lol

  • Ralph W

    Let’s see this in action. The Metro Police can hardly carry out their basic function.

    • Guest

      We should just replace them with bots.

  • Robert Ferreira

    This by-laws makes basically anything under the sun a crime. Did they think this through? What about people who do their washing? Where will they hang their clothes to dry if not on balconies or fences? Most of what is in the by-laws are everyday life. The littering and nuicance and vandalism is understandible. Good luck with the obtructing traffic and pedestrians one. Every taxi driver will be fined or imprisoned. Maybe this by-laws are being brought in to put people in prison during the event to stop them making trouble and to create the illusion of a perfect city?

  • Max Rossi

    Well you better keep all your weed to an acceptable height then.

  • Steve Joseph

    Can’t what to see what they do with all the robot beggars!

  • Shivesh

    So all protesters will be fined R40 000 each or two years imprisonment…I’d like to see that happening… highly doubt it….you can probably count on getting locked up for having long grass though, or probably fine the guy that has an old car that broke down on the road but doesn’t have money to tow it out of the way in time…cos that’s where these laws seem to be aimed…

  • Mugabeisikulufa iAfrikanotso G

    Looks like the little sparrow got her message across at the end of the day.

    Great initiative, but this sounds terribly much like an old broken broom promising it’ll sweep clean if allowed another chance to do what it promised last time.

  • Peter Pan

    Good luck to our Metro Cops!!!

  • Roelof

    Guys its NOT 1 April YET!!!

  • Dropped

    If it takes these guys 3 Months to cut the grass in one area how will they implement this? lol good luck to them and especially since half the staff are incompetent

  • Alon Berman

    Looks like eThekwini just became Sydney!

  • elboertjie

    What’s the point in fining people R40k, but they can’t pay for it, or is this only aimed at the folk that can expect to pay it?

    • Demosthenes

      It’s. a. deterrent.
      Would you litter if you were going to pay R40,000 or serve 2 years jail?

      • peterq

        If I lost my job. Fee board, food and medical and all I do is sit around all day talking to my new friends.Great.

  • bengine

    A bit unfortunate for JZ – I reckon the public nuisance rap is going to at least double what he owes on Nkandla ….

  • #TimeForChange

    These by laws should be enforced in all towns and cities, especially littering, where spot fines should be issues. Funds collected can be put to good use. Taxis stop and open their doors at the rank, throwing all litter in the street – that has to stop; it must be punished with spot fines, discouraged and the city must make it clear that behaviour is unacceptable. Come on JHB, catch up ! It’s not nice for our children to walk in rubbish strewn streets.

  • GrimmyGrimReaper

    Don’t break down in traffic in Durban or you’llbe screwed …. Pffft

    • Karen

      Exactly what I was thinking… some people can actually fix their car when it breaks down next to the side of the road… now just to get fined (bribed) by officials.

  • #TimeForChange

    Brilliant initiative from Durban – well done and good luck to becoming a truly world class city. Come on JHB, catch up. Start with the Bree street taxi rank and township litter.

  • ThePhotoGuy

    I could slap myself in the face in a public area, probably will get a fine for doing that.

  • Darrel Hofland

    Hope they enforce some of this… if even possible?

    • Demosthenes

      They just need to enforce it on a couple of people, set the example and it’ll begin to make a difference.

  • McTSA

    “Hanging of items on fences, walls, balconies and verandas”

    So If my missus were to hang a pot plant, we’d be slapped with a fine? oO

    • Demosthenes

      No.
      Do you live in Durban?
      They’re referring to people who use razor wire as glorified laundry lines.

      • Dale

        Most of Parklands would be arrested here in Cape Town.

        Would be a good thing, place looks terrible.

  • peterq

    Rather kill someone, the fine and jail time will be less. No wonder there is so much murder and rape and a good chance you will never get caught.

  • BloodSteyn

    Noise eh… wish they’d bring this to Jozi.
    I’d love to see a bunch of Harley owners locked up for racing past my home at all hours with noise levels approaching intolerable… We have a friggin law that no motor vehicle is allowed to be operated without a sound control device (muffler) but a bloody Harley is allowed to have nothing more than a straight stainless steel pipe???

    I’ll include the superbike guys as well, my 2 year old freaks out more about their noise as they drive past at over 160 km/h in a 60 zone next to my complex. It’s a scarier sound to her than thunder at this point. I’m almost at the verge of loading up my paintball marker with marbles and letting loose a 30 bps rope of 300 fps at them, but then I’d be in trouble.

    So perhaps I could hook up my camera flash with a remote trigger, set to 1/1 and pointed right at their eyes as they speed past… But again, then I’d be in trouble…

    Putting down a by-law is one thing, enforcing it will be another beast altogether.

  • MH

    Sounds fair. Considering the low life moving into some city areas. People should be happy because it will make life pleasant for the peace loving people, it will also keep property prices at fair values. Why should 2000 people in an area stay awake because of a group inconsiderate scum bags in the street blasting music the whole night?

  • Go and catch real criminals instead of picking on small misdemeanors you idiots! How about you guys do something about the informal settlements which constantly steal from tax payers homes! Prevent people from begging at robots some of whom actually rob you! Get your priorities right. Money seeking pathetic by-laws.

  • ARYAN10BC

    New monoply game—take a pee—go to jail.Trying first world standards in a place known as Durt-bin….not gonna work.

  • Jumbo Jake

    I’m moving to Durbs…….

  • Thomas Damascus

    Who agreed to this??? I personally am not effected directly by any of these extortionate bylaws…..in my opinion the transgressors of these money spinning laws will be poor uneducated folk. Oh and good luck getting your lazy metro police to enforce this without corruption.

  • Iain Robertson

    “Shouting, screaming or making any other loud, persistent noise including amplified noise is also prohibited”. Are they going to enforce this during election time and keep the campaign vans off the street? New Year’s eve?, St Paddy’s Day? Umhlanga during the holidays? Lovely if they do……….

  • syco

    “Shouting, screaming or making any other loud, persistent noise including amplified noise is also prohibited”.
    How will this affect Mosques?

  • Thwene from T

    What about monkeys on the beach?

  • Nofearorfavor

    While what is underwritten by this by-law, such as tabulated in bold under “the by-law prohibited conduct includes:”, mostly makes sense, the seriously problematic rub lies in the following:-

    “The public may also not lie down or sleep on any bench, street or sidewalk in a manner that prevents other people from using it. Begging for money or goods with gestures and words is also banned.”

    So take it that this by-law includes banning unemployed beggars at traffic lights, in supermarket and other parking lots, or the homeless, sleeping on public benches, pavements and other public spaces? Should these huge problems experienced by the jobless and the homeless poorest among us, not be addressed first and solutions found for actions of people, who’s only ‘crime’ for violating public space laws, is desperation: No job — no income. No income — impossible to afford even the most basic roof or living space?

    As much as we would all love to see Durban and all our cities countrywide, clean, neat, tidy and free of what many refer to as street vagrants, it would seem this by-law is cosmetic only — instituted to impress the many foreigners who will be visiting our shores during the 2022 Commonwealth Games.

    Are root causes for what plagues our cities countrywide, not again ignored by enforcement of a by-law which includes punishment of the completely helpless? Is such a “quick fix” not a blight on our Council — showing it’s complete lack of respect of and care for the jobless and homeless? With this by-law, beggars and park bench and pavement sleepers will end up in already overflowing jails for 2 years, as its laughable that they will even have a few Rands to pay towards a R40,000 fine. Worse even, is that most of these “offenders” will be black people.

    Whereas in turn, would the destitute, not have the right to sue the municipality for not including within their provincial budget:-

    1) desperately needed skills training and the employment it brings and
    2) provision of some form of formal roof for the homeless?

    Should we meet the above criteria. would this not result in Durban and all our cities, becoming more productive hubs and therewith picking up our flailing economy?

    Instead of including the destitute in this by-law — why did Ethekwini Municipality not long ago, initiate a call on the public and the private business and NGO sector, to meet — and on a continuing basis too — to along with the support of Council, address the needs and find permanent solutions for the plight of the poorest and most vulnerable of Durban and Kwazulu-Natal’s many other towns’ skill-less, jobless and homeless inhabitants?

    Is it not realistic that should all the skilled in Durban and towns all over the province’s have been called upon to share their skills on all fronts (venues allocated all over the city and in each town, affording training and tuition/courses, based on skills sharing)? — surely this is doable and many, not only in Durban, but all over KZN would be more than amenable to strongly support such a province wide educational drive, which would uplift those who need it most, while resulting in greatly improved productivity for Durban and KZN as a whole. All it would take to get off the ground is committed planning and the realization that as a long term project, it would demand staying power — committed people to manage and implement it.

    Furthermore, the physical number of unskilled people available to assist with erection of housing on allocated land, would naturally acquire basic on hands training at all levels of home building construction — down to even gardening. As too, it is real that in assisting completion of their own homes, the poor would be filled with hope and their motivation to learn, high, because their city or town and its public, formally instituted a project which would provide them the chance they needed to not only become respectably homed, but to boot, skilled and productive citizens.

    As of now, it is only 2016 — so in fact until 2021, we have 5 years in which to get such a province wide project off the ground, which would progressively deliver a much increased skills and access to homes profile, by 2022, bearing in mind that it should continue, until all the poorest people of our province, are equipped with skills and have homes of their own — the basic rights of every human for reasonable existence and a future.

    Yes, the financial costs would be high for at least the next 10 years, but God alone knows, the benefits for Kwazulu-Natal would be incalculable — improvement already occurring during this year, but especially ongoing into the future. Employment rate would be up and correspondingly, crime would go down and tourism would soar — while such a long term project, would result in cities and towns beginning to take on a completely new look, permanently — not only the quick clean up, we are effecting, when a special global event is in the offing.

    Most importantly, can one imagine how a project, with such a sound foundation and such a lofty goal in sight, would end up uniting people across the full spectrum? Our province’s economy would begin to improve and even shine and investments come to our doors, unasked — A project for the people, by the people, in tandem with and assisted by their provincial administration, it is helping others, to help themselves and in becoming capable of helping themselves, being able to help those who helped them, by way of the economical and social spin offs such a project would naturally deliver — every town literate, skilled, and employed, entrepreneurial spirit flourishing.

    Okay, the bottom line is where to find the money to initiate it ASAP? My personal opinion is that, if Ethekwini required additional funding, that it launches an appeal to the greater public, to the private business sector and other charitable organisations, to assist with funding (virtually every Rand would be welcome, as people can only give what they can each afford).

    The generosity of Durban and the province’s general public in support of such a project, would be astounding, as would be people who would assist with skills sharing and opt to assist with the home building side of the project — almost El Habitat style. However, it is imperative that the Council, is highly transparent on all levels with the public and keeps them abreast of progress (such as growth of and implementation of funds and shows off completion of each area within the project etc) and do so on a specially created online, for instance, “People’s Project” site, enabling people to follow and feel part of it. Updates on local news, TV and radio would further serve to bring the support and commitment of more and more parties to the table. Sure many NGO’s and even retirees would be open to assist too.

    Although the above is but an outline in the broadest sense to launch — what could become a huge province wide project, starting in Durban first, it would be a very worthwhile project — a project demanding long term commitment, but which reflects the tenets of caring, we as province have to help the many among us, who at this moment in time do not possess the means of helping themselves.

    Would the Commonwealth Games not applaud us for having the commitment to our people to launch a project, which would show not only the Games, but the world, that we are capable of working together to uplift our many needy ones? That instead of our Council punishing them with threats of fines, Council along with us, stood together and empowered them, so that they too have the means to share the joy foreign visitors will be bringing to Durban — five years from now??? Let us not hide our poor, but empower them as it not only benefits them but all of us!

    We have five golden years in which we can go a long way towards achieving it — let us not tarry, but do what we all know we need to do.

    • IG: pagengwenya

      I read this whole comment of yours with so much appreciation, not only for being one of the very few to realize how anti-poor these by-laws are but by your (detailed) hope for this city and province.

      I also believe the municipality ought to not whip and shame the poor for being so but rather be FOR its people before it is for tourists. I also would hate a state where the municipality or government is not working with the people for tourism and global relations as these laws threaten to have it be so. I find a charity or better yet a government project (as you said) the way where the homeless recieve skills training, mentorship, rehab centre treatments, housing and food more helpful to our tourism and our country’s growth rather than attempting to scare them into corners with unfair orders.

      • Nofearorfavor

        Papengwenya, I just genuinely think it makes sense… albeit, I put it across rather clumsily. But then I’m old you see. Yes, it requires Ethekwini to organize it all, but sure they will have plenty help from many experts and also from the various business forums in Durban. Furthermore, it will require hard work and dedication to get the initial framework of such a huge project off the ground, so that in practice it would run smoothly and fulfil the goal for which it was brought into being.

        However, I cannot foresee that the initial funding outlay, will be beyond reach, as the project will initially grow gradually, so that continued funding is affordable. Often when I go to bed, I wonder about people sleeping cold and hungry and out in the open, filled with despair and perhaps experiencing a terrible pain, that they are worth nothing, that they are invisible to the rest of us, that nobody cares a continental whether they live or die. How can we continue allowing this godawful state of affairs?

        Currently Europe is flooded with refugees and migrants, yet in some or other way, they have found ways and means of accommodating them, although its causing bedlam there right now. Why I mention it, is that surely Ethekwini has access to land where they can temporarily accommodate the homeless in similar shelters as those they’re using in Germany for instance, which include basic toilet and shower facilities and an on site municipal run kitchen, serving two simple, nutritious meals a day? If in Durban, say the municipality can perhaps erect prefabricated buildings to serve as skills training and or teaching centres in each of the many temporary “villages”? If they then find, they lack suitably qualified staff to provide skills and training, it is then that they must call on and appeal to the public to fill these posts.

        Most importantly these people are no longer on the streets. are regaining their self respect, while they have to keep their accommodation, the teaching centre and the grounds clean and tidy and assist the municipal staff with food preparation — cleaning vegetables etc and washing up and cleaning after meals. Duties can be instituted on a shift basis.

        Just another thought, taking that many of these people might not have completed much schooling at all, they can also be taken to municipal nurseries and taught how to garden, or to be trained in animal husbandry, the scope is endless — from assisting and learning hair dressing, to learning trades like motor mechanics, simple engineering skills, woodwork, painting, clerical work, graphic art, web design, IT — even its only basic computer literacy, plumbing, electrics, road works etc… I am sure both small and large enterprises would assist with training and as applicants or fostered workers prove themselves, this could lead to permanent employment or them searching for and finding their own employment niche. However, while they’re learning, seeing that the municipality (the people of SA) are providing them a roof and meals they should expect only a token salary, until their training is completed.

        Because I think government housing projects cannot cope with the demand for housing due to the fact that they simply cannot run sufficient housing projects simultaneously, there is no way they’re able to accommodate the need for homes fast enough.

        The trouble is, that government is not prepared to get involved directly, everything done by way of contractual tenders. This means that as much as they employ more and more contractors, they can only do as many as their annual budget allows. Bottom line is, that even if every family having a home, is still a long, long way off, to my mind it is government’s responsibility to ensure the homeless have temporary roofs over their heads, food in their stomachs, clothes on their backs and assistance with educating and training, until they own their own home and are qualified to hold down a job.

        We have so many opportunities available to us to turn around and row our country’s economic boat out of the rapids and into calmer waters, but if the government does not reach out to all the skilled human capital it has available to assist, it cannot hope to do it alone, because the problems we’re faced with are not only ginormous, they need overcoming in turbo gear, so that the unskilled among us, can become skilled and journey with us into the 21st Century. To achieve the level of education they are going to need, means we have to jack up our standard of education drastically and access whatever teachers SA still has available, whether retired or not — this means all South Africans, black, white, pink and yellow must work together like demons to take our country to the top of global rankings, where she deserves to be.

        People who continue breaking down, should find themselves a different country and leave the rest of us to continue by trial and error to rebuild our land. Many errors we have all made on both sides, but luckily people can build bridges and walk across them hand in hand.

        People need to understand, that all over the world, they need to remain involved at government level, as it is their money at the end of the day, which pays the piper, so they have every right to know how and for what it is being used. There is nothing wrong with the population showing displeasure when their government is not on the level with them, but never, never must they do it in a destructive way.
        Unfortunately in in SA’s very complex situation, this was worsened by neglecting from the outset to attend to desperately needed education and training and also service deliveries in the poorest neighbourhoods, they forced ANC councillors on communities, robbing them of their last independent say and this did not and are not going down well and neither is it fair.

        Now 21 years down the line, if we’d been allowed to all work together in liquidating the massive educational and skills backlog, the housing and schools shortage and the sporting infrastructure required, down to clinics and basic community centres, we would not have been in the dire economical position we find ourselves now and people would not have been bursting with a terrible anger and frustration that their plights had been ignored by their government.

        On the other side, the government had excluded whites from being intimately part of the New South Africa, so many left, while those who stayed behind, to this day are kept on the fringes, alienated as the erstwhile oppressors — often unfairly, never to be forgotten.

        So yes, just like the mostly black poor feel bitter disappointment at their ongoing neglect, whites feel bitter too, bitter that their government had not included them to bring sorely needed skills they have to the table to help eradicate inequality, to heal the pain of those they’d trampled. I find it very sad…. as I had always envisaged us working together, but then was thrown out too, like the rest of the white baggage the ANC would love to see, pulling out the country altogether. Yet, God alone knows why He created us all differently, so if we cannot get along, is this not akin to criticism of the Creator?

        What was a simple way to unite all South Africans the ANC turned into BEE rocket science (on purpose), because they did not want to see us united as a nation, maybe because they felt threatened by it?? — dunno, cannot see why, as most whites have no problem with a black government, they only want an honest, transparent government committed to the people, whose actions show they are fairly to all.

        At the end of the day, where must born and bred white South Africans go, when Africa has been the only motherland they’d known for around 250-300 years, when millions of Africans claim the UK, the States and Europe as their only motherland? So yes my friend, the world is a complex place … Just a tragedy that our government doesn’t evaluate white South Africans as their own, because indeed the gross of us are exactly that.. There are racists within all nations and they’re the bane of the many, but can they win against the gross of us who are not? Never.

    • Fred Johnson

      Some very good ideas- but I suggest try sum them up and submit that to newspapers. My suggestion would be to use the land and a few structures at the old airport to house them and teach them market gardening and other useful related skills as their ‘sentence’ then expand the initial area to grow food and fruit commune style – the surplus of which goes onto the Market to generate them an income. Finding honest people to organize and control all this would also be a problem.but not impossible.

      • Nofearorfavor

        Thing is Fred, if I was young today and did not care for a very dear but mentally fragile partner, I would have tried to break down the bureaucracy doors barring the entry to and ensuring the steady eradication of all the most critical, grassroots problems besetting continuing to cripple our nation on so many fronts — not only politically, but economically and in particular, socially, as the divide between rich and poor ever grows and is escalating at an alarming rate, which does not bode well for the relative stability and peace, we’ve had since 1994. Amazes me that the few wise we have in government aware of the calamitous state of the nation, are not being listened too. Indeed we are on a slippery slope to outright anarchy. Anyway, that’s my humble and from the heart sincere opinion. I suppose nobody within our so-called halls of power, even pays attention to suggestions from those of us who deeply care for SA’s people and the future of our country. Only comments capturing their attention, seems to be the cheapskate racial comments — which they respond to, as if all whites are one and the same.

        Yes, was discussing the transparency of it all with Papengwenya below … if you check out, my response to him — I tried to even add another angle to the original suggestion you replied to, which could actually, tally nicely with your suggestion about the old airport and almost immediately get people off the streets and allow them to begin building some sort of basic future… Thing is I believe they have big plans for the old airport, which don’t include poor people for sure.

        If the government would simply understand that its of no importance who attempted to bring a practical solution to the table, but at least explore it and in finding it has value, just follow up on it and institute the practicalities of it all by getting it done.

        One often thinks its plain laziness, which makes them indifferent to the lot of the poorest, almost a “bugger you Jack” type attitude — they’re enjoying their status and seems their compassion for those who have no status, disappeared like mist in the sun, when they began to enjoy a life of ease and security.

        • Fred Johnson

          I attended a lecture on Monday by a young man who’s adventurous spirit has encompassed some extraordinary feats and trials all over our world. His conclusion about our world is that we will lose everything as we have forgotten how to have real compassion for others and are too wrapped up in ourselves to care. I agree with him having both been guilty of it & experienced a degree of this recently. How do we teach people to be supportive of others but from example and as early on in life a possible?

          • Nofearorfavor

            “How do we teach people to be supportive of others but from example and as early on in life as possible?”
            Fred, to my mind the only way forward to achieve a return to implementing what we all know within to be true human values, based on respect for each other as the human race — as humankind. Only when we see each other as one and the same, can we eradicate and slay the man made heinous ideology of racialism, which virtually from the beginning manipulated by a few, entrenched and brainwashed ordinary people to view themselves as separate races, with by their twisted belief of and interpretation of mankind’s history, they set one specific race to be above and definitively superior to all others. Its all false and actually a betrayal visited and instituted on all nations, by a few very powerful but deranged ones amongst us.

            So yes, to answer you question, I would think that we need people like your dynamic young friend, people with clear vision to search for and find more likely minded people and then via positive speaking platforms, begin to enlighten others, and enlightened ones, then furthering the message again to others — all happening with continuum. However, its complex, because it should be based on pure altruism — hundred percent service to others, without thought of self. In today’s world — and I mean globally, this form of service can be termed as rare. But the beauty of it, is that simple people are very sensitive to sincerity, I think because basically their inner beings still remain very pure. Maybe your friend should consider to come in touch with mike t e l l i n g e r, whom I believe is very dedicated to uplifting the people of South Africa from grassroots. Its worthwhile exploring it at any rate. My belief is that enlightened people are empowered from within and these are the people who will become the future leaders of South Africa. I cannot explain or use this platform for discussion purposes, but truly Fred, we have pure gold black people in our country.

            In the Midlands for instance, so much has been happening, where a woman starting one little home garden, she motivated others and soon there were many more home gardens — the initial seed supplied with the help of a local branch of a well-known NGO, who also taught how and when to grow the different crops. Well, within two years this grew into the first cooperative and soon in other villages, others were following suit and more cooperatives soon established. With their lovely fresh veggies marketed in small towns and at taxi ranks, soon it was not only benefiting these women, but growing the community around them, because income earned, placed members of their families and friends’ families in the position to open different little business ventures in their villages. Suddenly they were no longer jobless, but had become a self-sustainable community! — All this developed from one inspired and hard working woman’s efforts to say goodbye to poverty and create her own destiny with a home garden!

            With climate and earth changes and the current drought we have very concerning, how wonderful that these women, know how to grow crops with drip irrigation rigged to catch overnight dew and mulch keeping roots damp and cool. Sorry Fred, I just get so wildly excited about it, because it can spread all over South Africa! — in other words, communities are empowered to grow their own villages and eventually club together to buy the building material to fix up their local school, to erect a community centre, sports fields, clinics etc… People always need food, so food always has a market, come rain or shine. The spin off from the above, was the NGO, began teaching the children about caring for rivers and steams, for wetlands and how to ensure they’re healthy (how to read the ph). Massive clean up drives were organized and refuse collected, choking streams and poisoning water… normally when the day’s work was done, some ladies had done the cooking in “sun stoves” (very clever and environment friendly cookers) and they’d all have a gorgeous imifino meal and putu, with the children offering dancing and singing… imagine them in this lovely area, returned to pristine beauty again by simply sharing skills! Is that not part of what you refer to — is this not changing hearts and minds and doing it together?

            Oh, God Fred, if only a few in every town would commit to serving those around them, how quickly SA would buzz with productive communities! — how our country would heal from the ongoing evil of racism! Anyway, I must go pick up my grandson from school, we’ll talk some more later … forgive typos… just wanted to get it on paper to you.

  • thornik

    Rules which are a bit softer than a prison will never work – it’s just additional feed for police. Who the idiot who thinks “don’t drink on public” is applicable?! Alco is not a BAD THING YOU SHOULD AVOID, it’s our enjoyment! Don’t wanna see drunk people? Remove all _your_ f*** liquor stores out of the country! (and loose billions budget money) We can and will drink and we’re not rats to drink in a basement corner under a blanket. Idiot who allow selling alco and prohibit BE drunk is just a stupid moron – no any sense of a real life.

  • Nofearorfavor

    “Begging for money or goods with gestures and words is also banned.” Begging for money or GOODS with gestures and WORDS ARE also banned — at least get that right, seeing you’re gunning for the unemployed beggars and the homeless too…

  • IG: pagengwenya

    Having no choice but to believe this is a hoax. These by-laws are ridiculously anti-poor and I see all the rich white people here applauding this and just think of your privilege. How people who suffer must now find elsewhere to suffer for your comfort. Not caring in the slightest about helping the community be holistically stronger you just looking to lock up poor people for your convenience. White capitalism is truly soulless.

  • Vio

    If the bit about noise includes vuvuzelas, I’m all in favour.

  • The cretins strike again!

  • newsens

    Another way to collect bribes.

  • I want to see them enforce this , especially during pubic holidays when the masses decend on the beaches and create havoc ,obviously the person that decided on these new bylaws isn’t very clever

  • mav

    Hmmm…wud have put a pic of my dik here but those morons who came up with this bs myt not appreciate it 😅

  • Laraine Hean

    What a load of codswallop and ……… which of the very many beggars has R40,000 to pay a fine? He wouldn’t be begging!!!!!!!!

  • Fred Johnson

    What a great start! Do they have any ‘real intention & commitment’ + properly trained persons who will enforce these or is it a typical ANC induced method to pat themselves on the back?

  • Erlo Muhl

    These sound to me like new laws of so many existing in South Africa, that some inhabitants of the public break every day and are not prosecuted. Like daily overtaking on blind approaches where there is a continuous white line and throwing debris out of car windows. This is how many citizens in our lovely country and towns miss use and damage our environment. Make laws that must be kept and prosecute severely if necessary, but do not just scare the public and nothing comes of it.

  • Erlo Muhl

    These sound to me like new laws of so many existing in South Africa, that some inhabitants of the public break every day and are not prosecuted. Like daily overtaking on blind approaches where there is a continuous white line and throwing debris out of car windows. This is how many citizens in our lovely country and towns miss use and damage our environment. Make laws that must be kept and prosecute severely if necessary, but do not just scare the public and nothing comes of it.

  • Wikus Schalkwyk

    Lekker!

  • Alegro

    First World laws for a Third World country. Looks good on paper, but can never be implemented on the masses who transgress daily.

    • Fred Johnson

      Could do if there was the will andskilled management.

  • Progressive Pariah

    http://www. iol. co .za/sport/more-sport/no-money-for-commonwealth-games-1996081

    Whoops. Not to mention, they received a unanimous vote because they were the only city left in the competition!

  • Alien & Stranger

    Ha-ha! They can’t enforce the current by-laws as it is! A law is only as good as its enforcement. Some of these seem really OTT.

  • Nadia

    how do you fine someone 40k that’s begging ???

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