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Massive blow to South Africans looking to emigrate to Australia and New Zealand

Massive blow to South Africans looking to emigrate to Australia and New Zealand

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced that he will be abolish the country’s popular temporary work visa system and increase the standards of its citizenship test with immediate effect, in an effort to promote “Australia first” values.

“We’re defined by commitment to common values, political values, the rule of law, democracy, freedom, mutual respect, equality for men and women,” Turnbull said in a televised press conference on Thursday.

“These fundamental values are what make us Australian. Our citizenship process should reflect that.”

The new requirements to gain citizenship into the country will now require candidates to be permanent  residents for at least four years (as opposed to the previous one-year requirement). In addition applicants must be competent English speakers, must show a job record and prove they have integrated into the local community.

The increase in standards of citizenship follow an announcement by Turnbull on Tuesday that he would also be abolishing the country’s popular temporary 457 work visa programme in an effort to focus on creating jobs for Australians first.

The 457 visa, now used by about 95,000 foreign workers, will be replaced by a new temporary visa and the list of occupations that qualify for a visa will be reduced from more than 200, according to Reuters.

Read: How many South Africans are moving to Australia

New Zealand

Island neighbours, New Zealand, announced that it would be following Australia’s suit by drastically tightening access to its skilled work visas.

These changes which would now require a minimum income requirement and limitations on seasonal workers would be implemented at a yet undecided date later in 2017, said Immigration Minister Michael Woodhouse.

“These changes are designed to strike the right balance… and encourage employers to take on more Kiwis and invest in the training to upskill them,” said Woodhouse.

Read: How many South Africans are moving to New Zealand

Effect on South Africa

According to StatsSA’s Community Survey 2016, over a quarter (26%) of all South Africans emigrating from the country left to Australia. In comparison 25% left for the UK, 13.4% left for the United States and 9.5% left for New Zealand.

In addition because of the drastic time-frame in which the changes were implemented, a number of South African citizens currently in the process of applying for a visa or citizenship have reportedly been left in the lurch, having already spent thousands of rands on applications and the emigration process.


Read: South Africans can visit these 90 countries without a visa in 2017


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  • keithbe

    I’m not so sure there will be a major impact on SAfricans – these tend to be skilled workers and usually with employment prospects in place across the great pond. This will definitely have an impact on lower non essential skills such as cooks, cleaners et al.

    • #Welele

      Nope. As they said, the list of occupations regarded as “special skills” will be narrowed down. So some “skilled” workers will not make the cut.

      • Teresa Williams

        I agree – I read the list, and it covers many of the kinds of jobs SAfricans would want to fill.

        • Jacelyn

          and can fill……Unfortunately it also leaves South Africa with holes in these very same specialized jobs areas. But if the country doesn’t want us, we go where we are wanted

          • Speed

            and for brain drain to occur, the country would actually need a brain in the first place.

      • keithbe

        I’m not sure what other articles you read, however, one snippet of content that makes it abundantly clear of what is being targeted regarding the visa restrictions “…It comes after Australian said last month that it would largely end granting visas to foreign workers in the fast food industry….”

        I doubt very much that SAfrican Dr’s, Surgeons, Specialist Surgeons, Dentists, Engineers, Lecturers / Professors / Teachers, Mechanics, Plumbers etc. with experience would need to worry much.

      • Bob

        Probably accountants

    • Well called, in spite of panicking tone of the article.

      I was thinking damn, I now have to be able to speak English, adhere to rule of law while there, and support basic norms like democracy. Seriously, if that bothers people, I wonder where they were intending to go.

      Also, income requirement is a given if there is a shortage of a skill. It is a simple yet robust way to determine whether a job is in demand. And it is a good development, especially if in time it replaces more cumbersome processes like preferential skills lists, and proof of advertising. It is probably not that popular with immigration lawyers.

    • RSF

      It gets abused though: I know someone who got in on a 457 and his “skilled” job is selling photocopiers to corporate clients. He has matric and failed his engineering diploma course at tech. But he had a good relocation agent, spent a lot of money and got a local company to write the justification for the 457 visa. Had it been properly policed he’d never have made the cut. Did surprise me though to find out just how much money people earn selling photocopiers.

  • NosySnoopy

    At least us whites can always ‘go back to Europe’.

    • ToothyGrinn

      That’s some depressing sarcasm right there.

    • Juan Carbutt

      Ja, my white privilege salary is not paying me enough at the moment to go back to Europe.

      • Brave Magala

        Sell that farm you “stole”.

        • Nasdaq7777

          There’s not even 30,000 white farmers left. There’s 5 million whites.

          • Disme

            yip… and those 30’000 farmers own 234.8749% of all the land

          • Christien Scheepers

            At least whites on this page have not lost their sense of humor!

          • MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

            You said: “At least whites on this page have not lost their sense of humor!”

            Wait a while – they’ll come to redistribute that next.

          • Christien Scheepers

            Oops, so sorry !

          • Scott

            There is no such thing as 234.8749% Jacob Zuma!

          • Disme

            it’s called sarcasm….

          • Juan Carbutt

            Ja! And even those farmers, they are making 234.8749% of the food. I sometimes wonder, are the new owners going to grow the food there? Maybe you can now take a stolen farm and start producing food. I’m sure you’ll do a great job.

          • Makhosi

            4 600 000 today and diminishing…….compared with 5 600 000 whites in 1994. There will be no one occupying the farms to give back in 5 years time?

        • Deborah Donnelly

          Hello Brave, I am the 8th generation South African BORN in SA. I am the first generation who has been able to afford to BUY a property at the same price as what is offered to you. There was no money for me to study, and in fact I had to waitress for the last 4 years I was at school to partly support myself. I have always worked 14 to 16 hours a day to try and do better than my family and the only reason why i have something today is because I do not spend money on cars, jewellery, expensive clothes or holidays. I put everything back into my business because I love what I do and my 53 staff are really important to me. I am tired of the assumption that because I am white I was given a single thing for free. My story is not unusual at all. Those few whites who got so far ahead and who changed laws to harm the poor blacks of SA, did it in EXACTLY the same way as how the blacks in power are doing it today. As we speak, MORE money in SA is owned by black people (and it is only a handful) than that owned by whites. But as the whites are only 6% of the people, the distribution is still off whack. But trust me. Just about every white person you pass in the street have what they have through blood sweat and tears, and are NOT the handful who made fortunes back in the day. Equally, I would be a fool to make hateful comments like yours and assume that every black person is responsible for the even worse theft happening by blacks against blacks today. I equally would be a fool if I made sweeping statements that all blacks are criminals, or all blacks are killing farmers. WE GET IT! Many black people want us whites out of the country. But even if every last one left, it would still be up to the black people in government to stop stealing from you now. And lets not forget that us 6% whites are the majority tax payers, and employers. So it would be disastrous for the poor in the country if we did all leave as you would like. This does not mean that apartheid did not harm black people DEEPLY. But taking this pain out on white people in 2017 for what white people did before we were born, is a waste of your energy. One day your children and grandchildren might be just as bitter and angry at YOU and your peers for not doing something about the current rape of the country by the blacks in power. “Where were you” They will ask, and what will you say? “What could I do?” and maybe THEN you will understand that 99% of the whites were as helpless then as you guys are now. I wish I could afford to leave as comments like yours make me want to give up. 53 families I support would be devastated….so please think before you spew out hatred. I see it as a distraction from working as hard as is necessary to succeed.

        • Juan Carbutt

          Eish! Good idea nê!. I just need some advise though…. because why this farm that I stole the other day, I can’t find it, can someone please help me find the farm that I stole? I really need to sell it to make money for that one-way ticket back to Europe.

    • Rasta Dono

      Lucky you have a home continent to go back to africans have no where to go lucky YOU

      • DMTomlinson

        If you go back far enough, it’s everyone’s home continent.

        • Rasta Dono

          Guest you right

      • John Deer

        Africans go back up North to where the Arabs hunted them down for Slavery.

        • Slabboy

          …which you perpetuate to this day.

    • Khalsa S

      I recommend Germanistan……. tip: make sure its a return ticket

      • Stefaans

        Heh heh heh – I first read Germison. . . . who’d want to go there.

        • Name

          They also implementing tougher criteria to get East Rand Citizenship.. 🙂

    • david

      Unless its via a parent or grandparent been born there it is difficult do get in. The UK Tier Two Visa is quite restrictive and becomes even more so if you wish to bring over dependants.

    • Clint Alison

      Lucky You.. Some Whites were born here and We got no place to run away to..

      • david

        Check where your or your spouses grandparents were born, you might get lucky

        • Nasdaq7777

          Grandparents is 1920s, 1930s, 1940s – most are in South Africa.

      • Juan Carbutt

        Even me, I was born here. I’m the 6th generation in this country. Not that this will matter to 37 million other inhabitants around here.

    • wrongturn

      If the ANC wants us out, they could always sponsor us out 😀

      • victory

        Wants you out? Are you not S African?

        • wrongturn

          I’m a tax payer so… But the random Internet ‘go back to Europe’ trope is getting old. It was a lighthearted joke.

    • bengine

      yup, 25% of me will go to Holland, 6% to France 12.5% to Norway 12.5% to Denmark, 12.5% to England, 6% to Wales, 6% to Germany and the rest will just have to find their own way.

      • NosySnoopy

        HaHa! Don’t forget the 2% strandloper.

  • Skerminkel

    “…in an effort to promote “Australia first” values.”
    Now where have we heard that before?

    • Barry

      Not to be funny. But, yes, unfair but at the same time…. Man they are sitting there with lots of problems. This is true and I am sorry to say..the Muslims for one. The Muslims are trying to stop whatever is Christian in that country. Seen it first hand.

      So when one fcks up the rest must pay.

      • Eish

        Actually it sounds funny when you say Muslims are trying to stop whatever is Christian in the country when Muslims comprise 2% of the population. Maybe you using Muslims as a scapegoat for your insecurities because of the vast number of people that have emigrated to Australia from the Asian continent are of many other faiths including Christianity. These new immigrants from the East are hard working and making a success which you cannot fathom. These people do not conform to what you see as Christian people because of the color, language and possibly dressing. However they adapt to all of the above quite easily. I would however agree with the concept of people being fluent in English and live in Australia for some time before attaining citizenship. Most important Christianity leaders including the present Pope have a different concept of what Christianity is, compared to yours

        • [email protected]

          I fail to see how Christians from other countries would demand to have Sharia law, demand mosqies be built for them etc.

          (These ae some of the problems Australia is experiencing that they seem to be addressing with the new requirements)

      • Slabboy

        Ja, these damn Muslims; taking all the damn highly paid and lucrative technology jobs…

    • Guest

      Trump’s new America!!!!

    • Slabboy

      What about a clue? Was it a Trumpuppet?

  • Broscientist

    It doesn’t look more difficult to me. Unless you don’t want to stay for the proposed 4 year minimum…

    • Barry

      Dude! This is how it is. If you stay for the proposed 4 years…Everything is on you. In Australia anyway. Been there done that. There is no free medical care for you, or your family, no free schooling for your kids, no this and no that. So it will cost you boet!

      • Viper_ZA

        Yep, you do need to ensure your job and/or spouse’s covers all the bills…

      • Paul Goodwill

        As a landed Permanent Resident, yes, you do get a lot of social benefits. On a temporary work permit, no.

      • Name

        Sounds like here.. No free medical care,(I mean for us, we pay medical aid if you don’t want toe end up in Bara..) No Free education..(mostly pay fee even for Previously C schools)… So I suppose it wont be much different..

        • Barry

          Medical is “free” you must just be prepared for the risks. I am thankful for this. I get 15grands wordth of meds for R120 every month from our hospital. So no complaints. I dare not.

          If I have to compare to Australia then hey: Free hospital stay no matter what. $7 per script…..per script no matter the number of medications listed on there. Different world. People/families are first there.

          • Name

            That was my point exactly We also have “free” medical care but with the risks,
            But people that are immigrating are the mostly people that support all rotten Medical Aid schemes. I bet you Discovery’s fancy offices are not built by Tax money..It is like double taxation, We pay extra for Medical. extra for security,Things that in normal world are coming from the taxes..
            All those are also first to complain when the Health minister mention about National Health Plan. We like how is it in Ausi and Canada but not here.. Why?
            You’ve been there I am sure you know that all this is free but come at the cost of the Taxes. Canada is the same, We all know that their citizens are highly taxed..
            I doubt here will work same way with the level of unemployment.. That’s where the opposition to this is coming from..

  • RodneyVikens

    Goodluck Australia. Goodluck skilled South Africans.

  • david

    Its funny that people almost immediately talk about the white collar workers when it comes to emigration, yet by far the greatest demand is for blue collar artisans. I know two plumbers that are in the process of leaving for Canada. The people who fall into the scarce skill slots will still get in.
    To those who want to help their kids get out, try and steer them into the artisan fields that fall within the scarce skills bracket.

    • Paul Goodwill

      You are correct. My plumbing licence has gotten me into Canada, Australia and New Zealand (all as a Permanent Resident NOT a Work Permit). Which gives me indefinite stay in all three. It was easy as my skill was required and my first language is English.

  • Khalsa S

    Sounds abt right…….. AUS should take care of their own first and foremost. Dont need toilet cleaners, waiters and street sweepers from Asia and Efrica.
    Make South Africa Great Again.

  • Derf

    Can’t stand the accent anyway

    • Visionery1 .

      Nothing wrong with the accent, mate. 🙂 In all seriousness, we’ve been watching a lot of Australian films and series, I must say, I quite like the place and the people and wouldn’t mind living in a country where there’s law and order. Also received pics from friends living there: I didn’t notice any barbed wire, high walls, burglar bars … all the properties are open, people seem happy, smiling and relaxed.

      • NosySnoopy

        You also won’t notice a lot of africans either, that’s why you don’t notice any barbed wire, high walls, burglar bars….

        • OnceBitten2

          Nooit !!!! ROFL, and I only realised that now, after you pointed it out.

      • Derf

        Yeah, no worries, mate, I’m just jealous 🙂

  • Guest

    I have ex pat friends living in Australia whose been citizens for many years, and I’ve been told that this has a lot to do with the Muslim problem they’re also facing over there just like in Europe. So thank Islam for this!!!

    • Barry

      Hehehe we are on the same page mentioned it a bit further down.

    • That may well be true, if that is the reason.

      But then, adherence to Australian values, such as open society, democracy, rule of law, ability to speak English. The are now required.

      If those things are seen as a “a big blow”, I have to wonder about the person who wrote this article.

    • Jakkie

      I am sorry but that is simply not true, we don’t have a “Muslim problem”; just over 2% of Aus’s population calls themselves Muslims, comes in after Buddhism and could be overtaken by Hinduism. It is actually also irrelevant as there is very little evidence of extremist activity beyond mentally unstable individuals. Muslims are unfairly targeted by Pauline Hanson (Aus’s Trump) and her ilk. What is though very important is that every religion or culture entering Australia adheres to the values specifically seeing women as their equals; being allowed to study, marry whom they want (If they want to) and wear what they want in short not being subjugated to their husband or father.

  • Eleanora Naidoo

    I can’t stand the accent….but I would love to go to Canada.I thrive in cold conditions.And maybe my kids can learn to ski and skate.

    • Guest

      No, not Canada. Their president is allowing all muslims in which America is refusing into their country, unless ure Mulsim of course lol!!!!

      • From the surname, I would guess Eleanora is not.

        I think in Canada’s case, that was pure rhetoric, rather than practice. Canada wants to be seen as contrasting themselves with their neighbour, in being seen as tolerant and progressive.

        In practice, Canada is quite welcoming if you are skilled and comply with the paperwork, but quite stringent for visa requiring citizens to just go there.

      • david

        Canada has far less problems with immigrants than the US, but that is because Canadians are nicer people.

        • Silver King

          Best country in the world when it comes to friendly people.

          • young s

            Read up on Canada man. Its not that great.

          • Silver King

            Compared to the rest, it’s paradise.

          • Name

            Bloody Cold paradise.. You have to plug your car to the Electric mains so the Engine oil stays liquidish 🙂
            My Idea of Paradise is kind of Tahiti , Bora Bora 🙂

    • Brian Tasker

      Wish more of you people would say that and stay away. There is a downturn in Mining Exploration here in AUS. Fortunately I possess a Security License as backup. It is very hard to get regular work with all the unfair Foreign competition.

      This is due to the preponderance of people from the Sub Continent taking the best (easiest) Jobs (typical) and working for a pittance. Hopefully the Government is finally on to that? One Russian owned Company in Perth, it is rumoured has 500 students working for up to 80 hours a week, when the law states no more than 20 hours. Bonafide Students, really? The Owner of the Company I am now working for informed me, it is why he is finding it so hard to compete on Jobs. Some Clients do insist on local guards fortunately…

      I am fighting back against it, calling out Employers, some of whom actually appear to rather have someone reliable on the Job. Someone who doesn’t disappear in the middle of the night… Student have to sleep sometime.

      FYI; My wife is a South African living in Venda, employed at Univen. That is my connection to SA. Search, UN Agenda 21 and it is fairly obvious why we now have to compete with foreigners. The spin from that is cheap labour has effectively taken food out of my family’s mouths…

      • Name

        Outch,
        So the Ausi Government also is in bed with the Russians? I thought it is only the SA government that,
        If this Company is allowed to do that what you say, in a police state as Ausi, Then something is for the rulers too..

  • Eleanora Naidoo

    Oh man…..can’t we all just get along

    • Stefaans

      From your lips to the Univers’ ear.

    • Speed

      Sure we can, but we need to stay on this side of the fence

  • Guest

    Yes, but not when their Koran teaches you that all so called infidels must be killed?

    • Real world dude

      Stop talking crap.That myth has been debunked ages ago.When you watch a movie do you also only watch one line or watch the whole movie?

    • DMTomlinson

      It actually does not. The Ashtiname of Muhammad actually calls for followers of Islam to protect Christians. The Koran references the Bible a lot. It likewise states that Christians was saved first, and that Muhammad was a prophet to convert those that did not follow Jesus. Same God.

      • Speed

        Umm, definitely not the same God. You literally could not be more wrong.

        • Karl Benz

          he is right – it has to be the same God, since there is only one

        • DMTomlinson

          Enlighten me.

          • Speed

            Lets start off with stating that Christianity is purely based on the Bible, not tradition etc.. According to the Bible, one who does not acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God is an anti-Christ. Since the Muslims do not accept this, that means they do not serve the Christian God.

          • Karl Benz

            the Bible is the rule book only for Christians. you can not use those rules to judge Muslims. Use the koran instead. Same with the Jews. Different rules will apply to different religions.

          • Speed

            Yeah I understand that, but that’s why I said started off saying that Christianity is based on the Bible. So yes the rules apply to believers of the Bible. So according to a Christian, a Muslim does not serve the same God.

          • Karl Benz

            it is the same God, but viewed, represented , understood , described differently. Christians view God in 3 unique ways, Hindus on the other hand in thousands ..

          • DMTomlinson

            Could not have phrased it better.

          • Speed

            In your opinion sure. Again, stating as a Christian, that is not how we see it. That’s what I’m saying.

          • Karl Benz

            just take into consideration that you are in the minority

          • Speed

            Oh trust me I know that very well.

          • Karl Benz

            religion is all about opinion . hence all the Wars etc etc The poor Protestants. But you are right , it does , off course, from a Christian point of view. But the Bible, your Bible, also says do not judge. God will judge. The critical question then is : Does God exist? Where is the proof. Many Books but no proof. And that has nothing to do with religion, but belief. You either belief or you don’t, or you don’t know, or don’t care.

          • Speed

            The Bible does allow us to judge, but to judge with righteous judgement. When it comes to your question, well yes indeed, that will always be the question. There will never be any visible concrete proof to prove the existence of God. But of course that is why a belief is based on faith.

          • Karl Benz

            righteous judgement – who determines this? This is the problem with religion. Who speaks on behalf of God? The Pope, the King, the Spanish Catholics? Very subjective, very prone to error , very human, very tragic to judge others.

          • Karl Benz

            I do however believe in the Rule of Law Judges . But it still remains subjective. Look at Trump getting flak, but the Ozzies closing down the border and all seems content and proud. One could call that double standards , where is the liberals when you need one?

          • Speed

            I seem to be on the businesstech radar, they are not allowing my comments through.

          • Karl Benz

            i am missing one as well i think. all my statements are politically correct ??

          • Speed

            Obviously not correct enough lol

          • DMTomlinson

            Thanks. But he is missing the wood for the trees.

          • DMTomlinson

            Interesting. Now take the same argument and transplant it to a Jewish person saying that exact same thing about Christians.

            “Lets start off with stating that Judiasm is purely based on the Torah, not tradition etc.. According to the Torah, one who does not acknowledge Yahweh as God is a gentile. Since the Christians do not accept this, that means they do not serve the Jewish God.”

            Your argument makes no sense. You are letting doctrine and belief cloud your mind. This is fine, it is called cognitive-bias. No one asked anyone to not believe n God. So take a step back and relax, if you want to fight, go fight with an Atheist.

            But, ultimately there is only one God. The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. This is after all the base for all three religions.

          • Karl Benz

            agree

          • Speed

            My argument makes perfect sense, since again, I am speaking from a Christian’s perspective. I am not speaking on behalf of any of the other religions.

          • DMTomlinson

            Do not think that I do not agree with you to some degree. But here is where we differ, for one can literally be more wrong. I could have agreed in full.

            You cannot give credence to another god. By claiming that there is more than one God, even though the Bible expressly expresses the converse, cannot be correct and is against God.

            The there is only one God. The Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. He is not a Jewish, Christian or Islamic God. Those were created by humans. He is the Great I AM, the Great Architect of the Universe.

            But *we* are all human, and entitled to follow the religion of our choosing. Jesus was the King of the Jews, he came to teach, and give hope to the gentiles (non Jews), and by his sacrifice, Christians are saved.

            To force it down on someone is wrong, to condemn someone for their beliefs is horrible, and hardly Christian. To deny God, because another, a prophet came to save those who had not heard the good news of God. That’s not what Jesus taught us.

          • Speed

            Sorry they didn’t allow my comment through.

          • YouDontEvenKnowMe

            Cute…. But really, Muslims are the worst

          • DMTomlinson

            If that is how you feel about 1.6 billion (a third, or 26 percent of the 6.9 billion people on earth – then that is your prerogative. No one is going to fight you about it, as it’s an opinion. After all, who are any of us to judge your opinion.

            Does not change the main argument, the fact that there is only on God.

          • YouDontEvenKnowMe

            Lol someone fact check his ‘fact’. And thanks for the one god ‘proof’ you delivered…

          • DMTomlinson

            If you want to be troll, then that’s fine. However, don’t drag others into it. The ‘fact’ is one google search away, so don’t put the onus for your insecurities on other people.

          • YouDontEvenKnowMe

            I’m 100 secure in that there isn’t ONE GOD as you’ve so eloquently ‘proven’. And stop with the troll accusations, you sling it around like others do racism, white monopoly capital, etc

          • YouDontEvenKnowMe

            so after one google search of ‘how many gods are there in all religions’ the first listing: ‘The real problems comes from Hinduism which according the their scriptures has 320 million gods, Some Hindu’s will say there is only one god with 320 million forms, but certainly enough believe in this total that they would exceed your 100,000 limit and therefore the total would be over 320,000,000 gods.’

  • Gatvol

    Too many snakes in urban areas anyway. lol

  • BrS

    Australia is committing itself to freedom? Well it is about time.

  • Megafone

    Now we’ll be stuck with people who don’t want to be here.. 🙁

    • DMTomlinson

      Interesting that we are not wanted in the country of our grand fathers’ grand fathers. We are threatened, told to vootsek, and yet have no where to go.

      Even if countries will take *European Africans*, then we simply have no money to go. The Government is bleeding us dry. The rapidly worsening economy is just going to make it impossible?

      • Deborah Donnelly

        No wonder they are discussing suicide on the radio as we speak.

  • Pfãrè

    They calculated that most South Africans will be escaping their Junky Country soon, as the Rand continue to loose weight.

    • DMTomlinson

      Problem is no South African can afford it.

    • Justice Peace

      lose !

    • Slabboy

      Rand’s getting stronger against the USD

      • Name

        Most of the people watching the “Fake media” news that are there to steer us into trouble.. I also see this days is getting back to normal, It was just a Hype pushed by NASPERS media (News24, etc..)
        How many times in the last 20 years they spell DOOM’s day??
        In 2001 the Rand crashed more than R12 for $ , in few months wend down to R8.. Remember, They are still “investigating” who made a kill from that short lived jump…
        It is all speculation , Politicking, Fight for Power…
        Somebody Believes that if by any chance DA wins next Parliament election, from the next day we will have Milk and Honey on the taps??

        Look at the Electricity supply restructuring in the Cape… That’s what await us, and then Who will we blame?? only us , that voted them into power..
        All parties are the same, They are up for self enrichment, They will vote themselves nice fat Perks, Salary increases above the inflation levels, Make under table business private deals..

  • Wizzard

    Honestly, those requirements don’t seem particularly tough.

  • Philip Machanick

    Trump, Brexit, … funny how some people only get upset when bigotry targets them.

  • The citizenship requirement seems reasonable. I would not think that ability to speak English well, integration, commitment to rule of law would have been problematic, though the article makes it sound like that.

    What is potentially problematic is the visa changes, so it depends on what is on the new skills list. But then again, a minimum income requirement (from the job offer) is to be expected if the job is in demand. This is increasingly being used in Europe, as it is a simple way to root out real needs from bogus jobs arranged by family or friends. In time it may replace more cumbersome paperwork (job advertising requirements, matching to exhaustive lists, professional memberships), which is open to abuse (bad for Oz), and expensive (bad for potential migrant), so everybody wins. The Dutch highly skilled visa, for example, salary offered is the main clincher. One would expect for a work permit job, one would earn more than the average. So if Oz is introducing this as a better alternative to other cumbersome checks, it has to be seen as positive.

    Since most South African immigrants to Australia were following the proper route, and that would be true of one has invested a lot of money, I think it is possible that this article is exaggerating the effect.

    This is clearly designed to root out exploitation, and cultural incompatibilities (more than the good old SA-Oz bantering).

    The only thing that puzzles me, personally, is why Oz is seemingly so popular.

    • Karl Benz

      i think it has to do with the notion of Australia providing the individual with a feeling of being secure (about his / the future). being in control. and being able to stay in control while the rest of the world is falling into uncertainty – so being an island – you just close up. most animals do that when danger is near. they roll up and …. play dead

    • Aussiechick

      Because Australia has so much to offer! We can walk our streets in safety day & night (wearing whatever jewellery & designer clothes we want) drive in safety with windows down and our wallets and phones plainly visible with no issues. We have no barb wire security fencing around our houses, in fact most homes don’t even have front fences, everyone is friendly and willing to lend a hand and our way of life and culture is similar to South Africans. Barbecues and very outdoorsy. Our government is held to some standard of account for how they run our country. As for employment, if you really want to work, then you will be able to find a job.

      • young s

        I live in South Africa and I have all of that you just mentioned.

        • Frik De Wet

          HAHAHAHA. Please do tell what area this is. Is it called fantasy land by any chance?

  • Helldriver Phoenix

    New Zealand/Australia, just invade us please. State capturing is a normal everyday practice here in the rainbow nation.

  • Ray Mulder

    Why leave South Africa when one day in the distant future, in another life, you can actually claim to have been partially responsible for the evolution and upliftment of a nation run by an ANC government who never had a clue how to…and thought that being the ruling party meant that all the top boys in the ANC get filthy rich…and screw all the rest of their subjects…

    • domsie

      Well said.

  • AdBreak

    Australia is 1 of the most dangerous parts of the world and they were always nasty towards foreigners and thats why the place is always neat and tidy and serviced by gov properly. In SA we let anyone in; criminals are the most welcome. Let every1 in they said; it will make a rainbow they said…and also a rainbow has no black in it.

    • Name

      And not to count that everything that crawls , flies, swims in Ausi is on the Top 10 deadly creatures of the world..
      The spiders there hunt Birds, mate..

  • johnramsunder

    So! why don’t S.Africa learn and practice the same thing by providing employment first to its S.African citizens before opening its boarders to all foreign nationals. This is how dumb this Government is.

    • YouDontEvenKnowMe

      Because our locals are morons?

    • young s

      Because white people hire foreigners instead of South Africans

      • Frik De Wet

        Who wants to employ a local when most are militant unionists who view business and whites as the enemy.

        Rather employ a foreigner who works hard and is willing to learn and contribute positively.

  • Graham Downs

    I still say that anyone who willingly emigrated from South Africa (i.e. weren’t dragged along by a spouse or parent, or forced to relocate by their employer) has no rights to comment on anything happening in South Africa (much less VOTE in South Africa’s future), and should never be allowed back, even if/when we turn the country around… or if they DO come back, they should be charged with treason the second they set foot on our soil.

    That’s not going to happen of course; our constitution provides for the rights of South Africans living abroad, and says that our country belongs to all who live in it. But really, to my mind, treason is exactly what they’ve committed by running away and refusing to be part of the solution. Instead, they added to the problem by leaving and taking their money and skills with them, and sometimes added to it AGAIN by the way they badmouth our country where they went.

    On the other hand, maybe it’s best that they left. We don’t need people like that for citizens. We need patriots.

    I’m an African. I was born in Africa, I’ll die in Africa… either tomorrow in a hijacking, or in fifty years time, peacefully in my sleep. Either way, this is my home.

    What do the Americans say? Something like “God, country, family, myself”? (I’m paraphrasing, of course – it’s something like that)

    I, for one, only want people in South Africa who feel that way.

    • Karl Benz

      you must be joking , you must be trolling. so what you say is that the new World was build by traitors. people going to Mars are to be considered traitors. i would not want to see my family being hi-jacked. i would not go to war for SA. to pick up and go takes a lot of courage.

    • Speed

      Yes because thinking about the future of your family is such a disgraceful thing to do, right? Your level of Stockholm syndrome is incredible.

    • david

      So looking for a better life for yourself and you children is treason, interesting?

      Tried been part of the solution and it didn’t get me very far so when opportunity knocked I grabbed with both hands.

      I do agree on the south Africans overseas who moan and actually plan to steer clear of them, I am going to become a Scot not a SA expat.

    • Deborah Donnelly

      I have been passionately against emigration my whole life. But as a 60 year old single white female who has worked her butt off, I have very recently become TERRIBLY depressed by the white hatred and being called a white settler. I really really cannot see myself living anywhere else…but I just cannot see a future anymore. Being single for 30 years, my business and my 53 staff have become my life. Don’t know how to be positive anymore.

    • Jakkie

      Nonsense! A very narrow minded and extreme view with a good mix of ignorance Graham. We absolutely have the right to migrate and still comment about our country of birth. Me an my family now call Australia our permanent home (because I believe; Family, Community, Country) but I am still rooted in SA. Living vicariously through friends, family and news desperately hoping for a leadership change; treason is what the leaders at the top is committing. As for “running away”, it is the scariest and most difficult thing me an many other migrants have done, it is definitely not for the faint-hearted.

    • SloopJB

      your values are skewed. The only treason being committed in SA is by those who sold our govt. to the Guptas. They’d be shot at dawn in any country respecting law and order.

    • YouDontEvenKnowMe

      You think like an African, shut up now

    • young s

      I agree. We don’t need deserters and traitors in our midst. This people should have left during apartheid. But wait, they were having a good time back then.

  • bookworm

    I seem to remember a recent similar remark from Trump about putting America first, getting jobs back to America & putting Americans first for said jobs. My, how he was sneered at, & now people are following suit from other nations! SA can be a happy place for EVERYONE here to live and work if we can just get competent and incorruptible people into place from the top down. Eradicate laziness! With the money no longer funding corruption and the kleptocracy, there should be initiatives put in place to get more people working. You just have to look at the filthy streets of Johannesburg to see what can be done via jobs for people with nothing to have a chance to uplift themselves. Artisan apprenticeships MUST be restored. It was a very good concept and should put more people in work. There is so much to be done! It does not have to be “out of the box” thinking, just good old-fashioned common sense and practicality.

    • david

      Common sense and practicality are unfortunately in short supply, I totally agree that that children need to receive more exposure to the artisan fields and government should reopen all the old technical colleges that they closed.

      We need more artisans not BA graduates

      • Karl Benz

        i agree with you on your last sentence. in Germany 70% of matrics move into technical areas . thats all that i can say.

    • OnceBitten2

      That’s not part of the anc’s big picture. They want a situation to arise to justify South Africa becoming a totalitarian state, ruled by a dictator and a chosen few to have a feeding frenzy at the trough, then they can plunder at will. Just look 1 000 kilometers north. Only problem is, that the very people keeping the country afloat financially will leave, one way or another. It’s not when will it happen, but how soon will it happen? Sad

  • Ace of Spades

    Rather stay here and fight the AllNowCorrupt party with everything you have!

    • david

      If you are single maybe, but if you have kids their future takes priority and you should do what will be in their best interest.

      • Ace of Spades

        I do agree unfortunately!

      • chunk

        That’s why i have no kids not that selfish to bring a child into this world.

        • Karl Benz

          you can still go to Oz and have kids there. they will thank you oneday

          • chunk

            I will rather not have kids in a society that killed its native population thanks. savages.

          • david

            You cant go anywhere then really as at some point all populations have experienced it, my ancestors stopped the Romans but we couldn’t stop the Brits

          • Karl Benz

            no one can stop the English !

          • david

            That waits to been seen, I have high hopes for the SNP

          • Karl Benz

            who is not a savage ?

          • chunk

            That depends on my bias i just don’t like the shackle draggers, i will find any excuse not to go there.

          • Karl Benz

            the Ozzies have improved. i saw a program where the border patrol guy disallowed entry to a large blonde blue eyed englishman because he had a crimminal record. he drove a get-away van full of weed at the age of 21 he is now 27 and applied for a working holiday visa . 200 years ago he would have been greeded with open arms.

        • YouDontEvenKnowMe

          Thanks the world doesn’t need your gene pool

          • chunk

            Idiocrasy springs to mind.

  • Andries J Els

    Going nowhere White and Proud us non Blacks will fight for this Country trust me!!

    • Karl Benz

      fight with what ?

      • Nasdaq7777

        protests, international protests etc.

        • Karl Benz

          so this is going to be long term then. but for the sake of the children, good luck

      • Andries J Els

        With whatever it takes! push people into a corner they start pushing back!!

    • 0xbeef

      stay my friend. no one is going to hurt you. just make sure you pay your tax cause if you don’t, well living on the streets out a cardboard box will be the equivalent of hell on earth.

    • Juan Carbutt

      Victory is possible, but costly and unsustainable. Hou maar aan veg Andries. Sterkte.

      • Andries J Els

        Jannee niemand wen in n oorlog nie

  • david

    I will say that since they found I was leaving I have had quite a few black and coloured colleagues asking for information on how they could make the move, so its not only whites who are thinking about leaving.

    • chunk

      White people don’t have a monopoly on immigration, since we free now we also like to go to other countries.

      • david

        Agreed, but the that is the pictured painted by the media although I think they would have more reason to return, I am returning to my roots no matter how wet they are.

      • wrongturn

        Yup I think it’s more of a “whites go back to Europe” thing, whereas pretty much anyone would like to immigrate to potentially better circumstances.

    • young s

      You guys must leave us fast so we can self destruct in peace.

      • david

        Trying to but DHA was a hold up, now that we eventually got the paperwork the UK stuff is a breeze.

  • Ab Irato

    The Ausies prefer the refugees from Somalia. They integrate a lot better…

  • victory

    Who cares am white proudly S African

    • Speed

      That’s apparently ‘racist’ these days.

    • Karl Benz

      proud about our 0.8 % growth rate ?

  • Brian Tasker

    If you want to find out what is really happening in AU courtesy of our illustrious Gov, Search; “The Truth About Australian Welfare Payments”, You tube. Just bring plenty of wives and breed like rabbits… You’re in.

  • Muz

    Citizenship tests are a strange concept. None of the born citizens are held to the same standard. Basically the “best” in your country will always be foreign born.

    • Karl Benz

      the best are already in the country. their forefathers survived months of sea passage, hunger etc in order for them to be born there. the “others” sit comfortably in a plane seat for some amount of hours sipping some wine. it depends what you see as “best”

      • Muz

        The best are the people meeting the citeria of a citizenship test.

  • Luna Moon

    I think other countries dont want us…we are too scary

  • lorgat94

    I share Aborigine’s values. Does that count?

    • Name

      Nop, Only Values applied after the prisoners arrived 🙂

  • expatNederland

    fokkit. As dit Suid-Afrika was.. it would’ve been racist’. Its time for the 20% population in ZA to start imposing exclusivity, and not let us be bullied anylonger by incompetent morons. Let us create a ZA where quality (educated) ppl come to work, live and create..
    our own Australia-like rules in ZA.

  • Jakkie

    A bit of posturing from a normally moderate Turnbull. Aus is not under siege by Muslims or Asians etc. there are some Trump/Malema like individuals in Aus that is spouting populist nonsense which is unfortunately believed by too many. Turnbull is responding to save votes. That being said I do think confirming to migrants that your religious or cultural beliefs needs to be inline with Australian laws and core values is a good thing.

  • Australia and New Zealand is trying to stop the influx of immigrants.
    Apply for a travel visa to tour or visit family there. The next part is a bit racist.
    Once there, and you are white, apply or convert the visa into a work visa.
    Ensure you keep your job with good merits.

  • Disme

    screw all these countries…they stand arms wide open and let in hordes of isis wannabees and yet we ordinaries are left in the lurch !

  • Prince Venim

    Not only whites want to move to Australia/Europe & United States, I myself as black as I am, I don’t see myself raising a child in this country where crime, high unemployement rate, declining economy, uneducated society and corruption in politics thats causing ruthless damage to the future of the country.

    There was potential at some point, I don’t blame but wish all the best to those who are migrating overseas.

    • Konstabel Koekemoer

      So true, you just need to go to any of the immigration seminars to see that people of all races that are exploring their options.

      • Prince Venim

        Wow that shows how people take this matter serious, I guess people feel the earlier the better before things turn out worse, at some point its going to be a NEED.

        Because this government is so poor, arrogant, stubborn and selfish in a manner it has become a norm.

        We are going nowhere at a fast pace.

    • Tyke

      There is still potential, Prince. All it needs is for voters to realise their best options, put their differences aside, and leave the past in the past. If run properly, this country could be very prosperous for all who live in it.

      • Prince Venim

        You have a good point Tyke, and I’m gonna quote your words

        “All it needs is for voters to realise their best options, put their differences aside, and leave the past in the past”

        PEOPLE have to wake up and smell the coffee it’s no longer 1976, apartheid won’t happen AGAIN, I mean times have changed I guess that’s what black people fear the most when considering voting for other parties like DA, I like DA because it has good candidates who can help making a change in our country.

        ANC keep on reminding the people (it’s voters) about the past again and again! it doesn’t have anything good to say about the future, I know and I respect the history of our country as for blacks oppression.

        Rasicm is a worldwide diesease that is a taught by parents, family, friends or peers, not all white people are and also not all blacks are. So this is something that will be here before and after us.

        • Tyke

          In my experience, the vast majority of all races just simply want to get on with their lives. I admit there is still a lot to be done, but hurling racial insults at one another gets us nowhere. The only time I encounter racism is by way of the media. The media does not have to publish, or transmit any racialism, But I suppose it sells newspapers and viewership.

          • Prince Venim

            True! majority is focused on their live, people have lost interest in politics and for some reasons they don’t care and participate during voting terms.

            Wow thats good for you, hope it stays that way forever, I’m sure you are living somewhere in a peaceful environment to have not suffer a racist act ever. But like I said not everyone is racist.

            There’s platforms like YouTube where people do social experiment and reseach to kinda expose who is who.

  • Brian Tasker

    Search the term, “The Truth About Australian Welfare Payments” on YT and you will see the reality of living in Australia. You have a Treasonous Government pandering to minorities and discriminating against people who have genuine welfare needs. Just bring many wives and breed like rabbits and you are in…

  • Name

    This are the requirement for South African Citizenship(Naturalization )
    from DHA(.)GOV(.)ZA
    It is even tougher…10 years with Permanent residence before one can apply for Citizenship.. compared to the new – 4yrs in Ausi..
    Language proficiency also … Citizenship Test also… (I wander what could be the test)

    ……………………………………………………………….
    NATURALISATION APPLICATIONS

    1.Applications for naturalisation may only be received by the office if the applicant has been on a Permanent Residence Permit for a period of ten (10) years from the date of obtaining Permanent Residence (PR) in the Republic of South Africa. No application may be received by the office if the applicant has less than the prescribed ten (10) year period.

    2.All applicants who wish to apply and are eligible to apply for naturalisation mustbe informed that the process for application will only begin when verification of Permanent Residence Permit has been confirmed by Immigration Services (IMS) through a written and signed letter of proof or PR to be attached to the application. This will require offices where such applications are received to first send verification of PR requests to IMS before receiving an application for naturalisation. Within the same period submit a request to SAPS for a Police Criminal Record check and confirmation to be attached. (SAPS record must be six months valid).

    3.Applicants must be informed that they must obtain Police Clearance and a letter of acceptance of dual citizenship from country of citizenship (or origin) to be attached to the application for naturalisation.

    4.Applications for naturalisation must be forwarded to the Head Office Citizenship Section within five (5) working days from date of receiving a fully compliant application by the Front Office.

    5.Applications must be put on Track and Trace 035 reflecting every stage of the process update without fail.

    6.All applications for naturalisation must have a PR identity number with a copy of ID submitted, before they can be received by the Front Office as applications for naturalisation.

    7.Proof of language proficiency must be attached with application for naturalisation as well as the completed language test form.

    8.Requirements for an application for naturalisation continue as they have been prescribed by the Citizenship Act.

    9.It is compulsory to attend Induction to become a citizen of the Republic of South Africa

    10.It is compulsory for all to attend the Naturalisation Ceremony and stand before a Judge in order to be granted citizenship in South Africa. Failure to attend would result in withdrawal or non-issuance of Certificate.

  • RAMBO

    Elon Musk should accelerate that project of his to settle people on MARS. At least then we will have another option

    • Thepaxster

      Only if your the best of the best in some scientific or engineering field. 😛

      • RAMBO

        Nah! These chaps will need a horde of servants to polish their shoes & make their beds.

  • young s

    Eish!!!

  • Bob Zurunkil

    Well for those of you thinking about London I would exhaust all other options first. This place is a dive. Nothing good here anymore. I have been here 15 years and its now so bad I am almost thinking of returning to SA (But then I come to my senses). In London we have so much pollution that approx 10 000 people die every year from breathing the air alone. Unless you are extremely wealthy or have a top end job forget buying property. I have spent more than R1 000 000 in rent in the last 5 years (yes, that 1 million Rand) for a shitty 2 bed terraced house which is small, with no insulation, damp in the walls, black mould all over the place and many other problems to be had. The economy is taking a dive and soon you wont have access to living in Europe anymore due to the worlds stupidest idea…Brexit. (Thats something I imagined Zuma would have thought up.) Salaries haven’t risen in years yet EVERYTHING else does. Just heard today that motor insurance is now going up by 8%…salaries up by 0%. Plus the only other country in the world you can now emigrate to on a British passport is Gibraltar which the Spanish now want to invade. The job situation isn’t great either with many unemployed such as my French g/f who has been unemployed and unable to find a job for more than 6 months despite her having masters degrees from France and having made more than 200 job applications. Many jobs have more than 1000 applicants so you have to be the best of the best or you are screwed. Beyond London there is nowhere else in the UK I would want to live as up North the weather is only worse and theres NOTHING going on. You may as well go live in the Karoo.

    • Name

      I was comenting about that Europe is not the same anymore (as 15 years ago) But I got lots of “claps” from other users about my fair observations.
      It is nice to dream from here but ones you hit the reality you realise that the grass is not greener on other side…
      Not even in Ausi , They have the E-tolls(trackers- no privacy concerns work there) apparently all over, and there Non paying(boycotting) don’t work.. It is a police state…

      • david

        A lot depends on your state of mind once you land there.
        And the benefits far outway the small number of negatives

    • Thepaxster

      Would someone rather live in the “Karoo” in the UK or in the Karoo in South Africa, is the question.

    • david

      Plan to avoid scotland like the plague, flying straight to Edinburgh and then on to the highlands.
      As for nothing going on you obviously have blinkers on and as for the weather, well we all know that the scots laughed at Noah when he came to warn them about 40 days and nights of rain

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