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Sanral reveals alternative to e-tolls: report

Sanral reveals alternative to e-tolls: report

As the South African National Roads Agency (Sanral) gears up for thousands of default judgments against non-paying e-toll motorists, it has revealed the first of its proposed alternatives to the toll system in order to make up for lost billions it needs for road construction.

According to a report by BusinessDaySanral has said that it expects legal processes against motorists who have not paid e-tolls bills to “start soon”, with total compliance expected to range from 30% to 40%.

However the agency also noted that even if it was able to reach the proposed targets, tolling to fund future construction was inadequate and would only add to the country’s road infrastructure backlog.

The alternative is to follow international agencies according to Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project manager Alex van Niekerk.

Speaking at a Transport seminar on Thursday, van Niekerk said that while distance-based tolling would be difficult, it was  the most fair alternative in which to collect from motorists.

What is distance-based tolling?

Van Niekerk and other speakers directly  mentioned the use of Australia’s distance-based tolling system, which means Sanral is likely to use the Roam system for inspiration.

This would entail the use of GPS technology and will see the roads agency charge motorists per kilometre driven. Certain highways may then have a “hard cap” for distance-traveled meaning motorists would hypothetically be charged for the first 20/30 kilometres travelled only.

The baseline amount payable per kilometre is typically established well ahead of time, but is allowed to fluctuate slightly, with higher tariffs introduced for peak hour traffic and holiday seasons.

This metered system would then see motorists receive a charge at the end of each month (similar to a municipal water and lights bill), that shows total distance traveled over the time period and how usage was calculated.

However the system is not perfect, with Roam recently making headlines for prejudicing commuters that don’t live in the more affluent areas of Sydney, closer to the CBD.

It also prejudices those with limited public transport availability and similar to current municipal statements and traffic fines, can be difficult to fight legally because the motorists does not have direct to the usage reports.

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  • Nero55

    If they couldn’t get people to put a etag in their car, how in earth will they put a gps tolling device in there?

    • Konstabel Koekemoer

      So true, and if people are forced to put some device on the car they will quickly find a way to disable it.

      • Mike

        Cell phone companies already have your data.

        • Mad Pierrot

          Easy to bypass that. Buy a poor guy’s cell phone from him. Use his sim card. Give the number to whomever you trust.

        • Jacobus Pienaars

          My cell number and where I live? Do you mean that? My cousin also has it. So what?

      • Name

        I was thinking the same, But what about if is tied up (By law) to your insurer, if you disable it , in the event Insurer wont pay you…
        That’s why we have tracker, Not because I like it. I don’t care if they take my car, I suppose I will be paid if cant be found. But my insurer is wiling to Insure me ONLY if I have tracker.. That’s why I agreed..
        If the Gov. comes with some scheme to work with the providers… I don’t know.. SARS already know all you have in your account(Banks are obliged to provide all info..).. So it wont be first ..
        You “cant” buy TV legally without start paying SABS Racket no matter if you don’t watch a second SABC..
        I hope they don’t read my comment to get Ideas 🙁

        • AgentMulders

          Less than 30% of motorists are insured. I suppose those 30% are their target market anyway, they don’t give a crap about anyone else, just milk the middle class

        • chacma

          Your policy says you have to have a tracker, but does it say it has to work

          • Harry Mlondobozi

            They will explain that it must be in working condition, right after they have rejected your claim.

    • Lacrimose Wolfe

      This govt & it’s structures are not renown for thinking things through! What if you already have a GPS in your car? Now you must have two? Because u can be sure whatever system they choose will come from some dodgy Gupta-related company and be totally incompatible with anything else on the market and about 100 years out-of-date. And again and still 98% of the ‘revenue’ will go on collections and tenders and the remainder on lawsuits. None will go on roads.

      • Wollie Verstege

        I think you are referring to a navigation devise that uses GPS?

        My car already has 2 GPS devises, one is the navigation system and the other the tracking system. I suppose this thing will work like a tracker.

        AND no, I will not install one.

        • Rob V

          And that’s exactly where this becomes a freedom/liberty/rights issue. No way in hell I’m stepping into that trap! We are already taxed to death, they can find the funds to maintain our roads from the Trillions paid in taxes and by reducing the bloat and freebies on our tax dime. For goodness sake, roads are one of the rather simplest, but primary functions they are supposed to perform with our tax money!

    • Barry

      Talking about “in there”. I think that is where they can stick it….in there

    • EternityZA

      It only matters that a fat tender is put up for the system and some connected cousin gets their payday from Government. They will “get” the actual money for that once they come up with the next plan or the next plan or the next one. It just means more “radical economic transformation” will take place

    • bengine

      machine learning will give us roadside sentinels that will not only eyeball your car make and license plate but facial recognise the driver and the passengers

      • Jacobus Pienaars

        But by then we will use Musk tubes and flying cars?

        • bengine

          I am going to bet machine learning solutions are here first …

  • NosySnoopy

    My alternative: They can go F&#$ themselves.

    • WookieJebus

      I’ll provide the cactus

      • Barry

        These guys might enjoy this….never know

      • Pia Ngere-Liu

        Yes, and Tabard or Deep Heat as lube!

        • Aces_Low

          Deep Heat I can understand, but Tabard? How did you get to figure that one out?

    • OnceBitten2

      With the rough end of a pineapple! Lol

  • RodneyVikens


  • OhGee1

    Ja while good old shower head is still in power, I will not be paying a blue cent. They have a better chance of asking me to stand on my head and fart the national anthem.

    • OWL

      Including “Die Stem” part?

      • it’s part of the anthem, yes

        • Barry

          Farting in Afrikaans is moeilik jong eish

          • to roll one’s R’s, that’s the key

          • Barry

            Try this: Oor ons ewige gebergtes

        • OWL

          I was just checking if he could!

      • OhGee1

        Of course… As much as some people want to deny it, it is part of this country (Afrikaans that is). It is our only original language.

        • OWL

          I just wanted to be sure you afford it the same honour!

          • OhGee1

            Why wouldn’t I? I speak it at home… It is one of four languages I speak.

          • OWL

            Impressive! Does that include farting, or is that a fifth language?

          • OhGee1

            That would be the fifth… currently taking lessons at Wits language school.. Although my GF says I am already flatulent … I mean fluent enough… 🙂

          • OWL

            I suspect she is encouraging you to stop practicing, poor Girl! 🙂

          • OhGee1

            Bless her she is a very tolerant and loving woman.

    • Barry

      Like my loving mother used to say: Die dag as jy op jou blarrie kop kan staan en sarie marais deur jou poephol fluit is die dag wat ek dit vir jou gee so loop speel met jou blarrie karretjies op die highway

  • Konstabel Koekemoer

    Another complex scheme that will cost billions to set up and administer. The existing fuel levy is still the simplest way to tax motorists.

    • OWL

      ANd it HAS been, the existing fuel levy…taxed to @#%##@ death!

    • Wollie Verstege

      That is exactly why it fails in most civilized countries, they realize the cost of administration is just ridiculous.

    • yes let’s add more taxes to the only people paying taxes already… god forbid they apply taxes to low income earners, that would mean the end of the ANC so they just over tax the middle and upper classes… not a sustainable model.

  • Lacrimose Wolfe

    So more dodgy dealings and squabbles over who gets the
    GPS device contracts, accreditation of fitment agents and the list goes
    on. I take it that the mini-bus taxi industry will still remain exempt
    from this harebrained scheme?

  • Broscientist

    Geez when will somebody unplug this broken record.

  • Terrabite

    And in the meantime, where is the fuel levy going???????

    • Barry

      I also beg this question. Bunch of bloody thieves.

    • Jaco Smit

      Amen!!! We are already paying for roads via the fuel levy. Im wondering if my eToll went over the R25K mark by now…

  • Arthur

    Alternative to tolling? More tolling. Makes sense to me.

    The proper option is to stop ANC corruption, decrease massive government wage bill, install efficient governance and use the proceeds to fix these roads. Tolling is just more taxes.

    • ChrisB

      Talking of corruption: the motorist paying the tolls doesn’t have access to the GPS report, but some middle-level corrupt govt official does. Nice. I think that is a “little” violation of your privacy. Don’t these @rseholes think of anything?

    • That’s far too logical and requires people admitting they have deficient management skills! Eish, and that they are arrogant too,,nogal!

  • Defollyant

    It’s a measure of SCAMRAL’s desperation that they think people will actually buy into their new scam.

    Sorry SCAMRAL, you yourselves squandered what little credibility you had with your unreasonable and lamebrain insistence on trying to stuff e-Theft down our collective throat. We won’t fall for your swindles again.

  • Pixidilious

    So glad I’m gone in September. Can’t wait to start using public transport

  • Unskinnybob

    Won’t pay the alternate either. But well done admitting to the disastrous failure that is the etoll gantry.

  • Somebody got a nice shiny new tender…

    • OnceBitten2

      Methinks the same!

  • observer111

    Ag, shucks, this GPS isn’t working. All I did was wash it in the washing machine and put it in the microwave to dry it off. Don’t understand what happened to it …

    • Wizzard

      I put these kief new lead stickers on my car.

  • I dont know better

    “As the South African National Roads Agency (Sanral) gears up for thousands of default judgments”

    What happens if you never received the summons? If there are thousands, surely it is plausible that people won’t receive their summons?
    Will the court look at whether you acknowledge receipt of a summons or not?

    • you don’t have to acknowledge a summons in SA they just have to prove it was delivered

      • I dont know better

        So I assume if you never signed for anything, because the registered mail never arrived, and it was not a sheriff of the court who personally delivered it to you. Then you could get a default judgement rescinded?

        • BrS

          If it is a civil judgement there is no requirement for it to be personally delivered to you.

        • Defollyant

          The rules are a bit more lax than that. If the plaintiff (or sheriff) can show that the summons was “reasonably” delivered to the respondent then the court will accept that averment as accurate. For example, if you live in a security complex and the general handyman signs receipt of the summons, the court will deem it to have been properly delivered, regardless whether the handyman actually gave it to you.

          • I dont know better

            yeah, which is quite sad actually. But yes, basically, what I am getting at, is if the registered mail piece of paper telling you to collect from the post office does not find its way into your post box, are you still liable or not?
            From what I gather, you would not be liable then.

          • ChrisB

            They never deliver a summons by post, registered or otherwise. It’s always by messenger of the court. I’ve had a speeding summons arrive by a kid on a bicycle once.

            If the messenger tries (I think three times) without finding you home (your official registered address) he is allowed to nail it to your door and that’s considered delivered.

  • Wollie Verstege

    What about the invasion of privacy?

    If they are tracking the km you are driving, they know where you are driving and all sorts of other information about your life that should be non of the governments concern.

    Can just imagine hijacking syndicates using this information to know who to jack when and where.

    • ChrisB

      Yep. I guess they are going to say that [theoretically] the information is confidential but since we know this is South Africa we are talking about, that will be little more than a weak joke.

  • AdBreak

    “However the system is not perfect…” and you still want to go ahead with it? Okay; go for it .

  • The_Real_CRM083

    “with total compliance expected to range from 30% to 40%.”

    These ones don’t learn, do they?

  • Ben Niemand

    So the solution to the failed e tolling is to change to just a different technology of e tolling? Wow. Revolutionary!

    • ChrisB

      Yep, clever aren’t they. Also note the title was “alternatives” – I was expecting a whole list. Nope, one alternative, more expensive, worse and stupider.

      I am more than a little surprised that the Aussies fell for it. They are quite a liberal nation, and yet they have just accepted the loss of privacy that goes with having a government tracker in your car. Astonishing.

  • They are just not getting the message are they? WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY TOLLS YOU MORONS SO GIVE IT UP… this is one of those bully tactics by saying the court procedures are starting soon… how are they going to track this, so much time has passed and people have probably bought new cars and their cars bought by other people… Jesus I was receiving bills for I car I did not own and for dates that preceded the toll implementation, it’s a total stuff up at SANRAL and no one there has a clue what’s going on or what has just happened. They were not expecting total non compliance and that is what happens when the people say enough is enough, just the court procedures alone will cost them more money they don’t have… it is time for you SANRAL to lie down and die now

    • Barry

      Yes you are right!! Look at me for example…I am dead

  • Barry

    I will pay my toll fees now now ek promise!!

  • Coen van Wyk

    It is easy: First they can recover the vast amounts spent on dividends to foreign and local shareholders in what is soupposed to be a public entity. Second they can stop the vast overheads paid to inefficient staff: Directors at toll concessions, staff paid to pay staff. Do we need SANRAL, Department of Transport, and several othr burocratic institutions? Third they can revert to the original model: Fuel levies are meant for roads and nothing else. Roads are supposed to be infrastructure to improve the economy, not a means of ripping off the public to feed fat cats.

    • Fuel levy funds the Zuma jet… eish so much eeemportunt

    • Barry

      Yeah you right but the roads are those leading to and in ncuntla

  • what a bunch of morons… really, only in Africa Zuma is so stupid you could sell any idea to him… the world must think this country is a total circus led by an egg headed moron who couldn’t comprehend the most basic of principles

    • Barry

      Sies!!! Maar jy praat darem fokken mooi!

  • SAitasitis

    Good luck with that.
    Laaaaa deee daaaa…….

  • Graham Downs

    Hmm, for me, e-tolls are tolerable (not very nice, but tolerable: I DO pay them) because I travel well over 100km each day to get to work and back. I hit my cap every month – by the second week of each month, actually – so it’s effectively just a single extra expense on my monthly budget. Also, depending on traffic, Waze sometimes takes me away from the highway a bit, so I occasionally miss a gantry or two, so my monthly cap lasts a bit longer.

    It’s definitely more fair than a fuel levy would be, because a fuel levy would hit everyone equally, even those who never used the highways. There’s also no way of implementing discounts for off peak hours (well, maybe if you BUY fuel during off-peak hours, you might pay a lower levy). 😛

    I don’t know enough about how this distance based thing would work, but it sounds like it would be a lot worse than e-tolls. First, do I take it to mean that you pay for distance travelled, regardless of WHERE you travel? So, there are no routes you could take to avoid paying? Secondly, it would depend on the cap and how it was implemented. Would we be talking about a monthly cap here, or a weekly, or a daily one? If monthly, it might be okay (depending on the Rand value, of course); if weekly or daily, it could end up costing a WHOLE lot more.

    Also, if you pay the toll regardless of what roads you use, then there’s no incentive for people to use non-tolled routes. Which does nothing to ease traffic congestion on highways, which I still say was one of the stated advantages of e-tolls in the first place.

    And of course, as the article mentions, it would also be a whole lot more difficult to manage and enforce.

    Given the choice between e-tolls, a fuel levy, or this abortion, I pick e-tolls. Next suggestion? 😛

    • Fairymuff

      The people of this country simply cannot afford to pay more. In my case, I’m already paying R1600 for rates, R2500+ for electricity and R2000 for water a month.

      • ice_blade_za

        I pay about R650 in rates, R1000 for electricity (more than half is network/service fees) and R400 for water (R300 of which is for sewage). Glad I have a smallish place with only two of us in the house. You should start switching to LED light bulbs. 😉

        It’s the other things that catch me. Petrol price, home loan, student loan and it goes on. If it’s not the government wringing me out it’s the banks taking their turn.

    • That Guy

      Mr Downs
      2 things
      1 – If you drive during peak hour you tend to use more fuel therefore you end up paying more levies. Therefore you do get a “discount” for driving off peak.
      2 – You don’t get to choose between tolls and fuel levy. The fuel levy will not go away with the implementation of tolls. You will pay both.

      • Graham Downs

        1. Hmm, yes, good point. It’s a bit tenuous (and there could be a major accident at 10 pm, which screws you over), but I guess I’ll take it.

        2. True, but the initial proposal was for an EXTRA fuel levy in place of e-tolls. The (existing) fuel levy was never intended to cover the cost of the GFIP.

        • Defollyant

          On point 2., to be accurate, the original intended purpose of the fuel levy when it was first introduced was exclusively to fund road infrastructure development and maintenance. The not-unreasonable rationale was that the more fuel you used, the more you’d pay because there’s a statistically significant (and logically obvious) positive correlation between fuel spend and road wear-and-tear. Think not just distance travelled but also vehicle size and weight.

          The government of the day soon ended up with a sizeable amount of surplus cash in excess of what was required for the roads, and so it decided to funnel the fuel levy income into the general fiscus, from which the roads needs would henceforth be met.

          And that’s when all the $#!+ started.

    • Chris Swart

      Well, if the road leading to my home in the Free State is maintained at the same level as the N1, then I might pay this levy (read: not toll evidently) regardless of where I travel. Otherwise I agree, this is just plain dumb

  • munky82

    Hey everyone!
    The government wants to put a GPS tracker in your car. That is a good idea, no?

    • Name

      How will they enforce that .. To keep it ON all the time.. Even if it is like a Tracker, I will find a way to put On/Off switch 🙂

      In Sweden the workers at some factory already “Volunteer” to have RF Implants put in their palm..
      Here GPS tracker so they can monitor you (on demand-If they need), What Next?

  • Charl van der Merwe

    who the F&$% cares about the alternate? it still involves voluntary payment. So it will fail.

    Holy hell these people are thick.

  • That’s still a no from me, thanks

  • Frank Payne

    Discussion of all these grand ideas masks the real problem, which is corruption and mismanagement of virtually all expenditure undertaken in the public arena. There is no accountability and therefore the country is already paying far too much for what we are getting in inefficient and bad services, which is ultimately being reflected in our public debt being unsustainable. All the waste has to be cut out and proper accounting and controlled expenditure insisted upon. If this doesn’t happen the financial situation will deteriorate and we will be a failed state in which everyone is impoverished with very little hope of recovery. The public service is stacked with paid employees that have no ability to carry out the functions necessary to run a country efficiently. Very harsh comment but sadly very true.

  • bricare

    another stupid idea

  • Thando_Gqabaza

    So how many millions spent on ROAM and which Austrian salesperson got rich from THIS deal ? Another moronic idea

  • Tiny du Preez

    UHM….Here’s a proposal for them….

    How about they use the money we already pay per litre on fuel levies that was originally imposed on us for this purpose? I don’t see ANY of that hefty fuel levy used in any type of road maintenance. I was driving on a road over easter weekend between Riebeek East, in the eastern Cape, and Grahamstown. When I asked why the road was in such bad shape, I was told that the Grahamtown town counsel owes the contractor who did maintenance up to last year, more than 8 million, so he packed up his gear and left….. Needless to say, I could not use my own car on that road. I would have been in for a nice surprise package on 4 new tyres and a new under carriage…. #bleddieskelms

  • Name

    But then why most posters here still want to go to Ausi if there they have this ROAM thingi…

    • LPCPT

      Apparently not so easy to emigrate there anymore. They have the good one there, now they’re closing the gates.

      • Name

        I was just Playing all the guys that commented on the Article about that 🙂 Sorry …

  • morphman

    These F**KERS are joking. Pay more and more to try and put food on the table.
    Whats next, tracker put under our skin to charge us every time we take a breath.

  • keithbe

    Australia has an advanced public transport system that allows citizens to choose between being tolled or using alternate transport.
    SA will never be on par with Australia from an infrastructure perspective – don’t even try and compare a fully functional 1st World country with SA.

  • fred

    The useful life of the IT systems and electronics used at the gates will soon be at end of life most likely , who is going to pay for the renewal of those useless systems ?

  • Peter V

    Keep it simple, piut a small levy on the fuel price and all your problems evaporate!!

    • Could it be that the Govt’s inability to control our population growth figure gives rise to these schemes emanating from Govt brainiacs, to continually try and employ more people,, apart from ‘wasting’ money as it’s second priority.

  • Gavin


  • Gavin

    G F YOUR SELFS, reduc gov spending, use that to pay for an already over tax economy

  • TiredOfTheBS

    I don’t want everyone’s upset about. E-tolls are free

  • Wizzard

    Hang on, hang on, the GOVERNMENT wants me to put a TRACKER in my car to which they have access? They are too lazy to even do their spying themselves anymore.

  • Peter Hillis

    They want to introduce a hugely expensive infrastructure to charge base of the distance travelled – doesn’t a fuel levy basically do that already, the more you travel the more you pay in fuel levy, and in a much more cost efficient way.
    My main gripe with e-tolls is the huge % of the tolls collected that go to running the collection system and not actually paying for the road improvement. This idea just looks like more of the same.
    They need the funds to do there job, but we need to be collecting those funds in the most efficient, least administrative, most cost effective way to we actually get the most benefit for the money collected. And not just enriching some individual that gets the tender to supply the infrastructure.

  • Luna Moon

    I wander which part of “no” SANRAL dont understand

  • Jacques

    “because the motorists does not have direct to the usage reports.”

  • Jeff Jones

    Just like this Country has become Junk Status so can E -Toll end up on the Junk Pile ANCYL can welcome that too.

  • Ray Mulder

    They could make a lot of money selling advertising space on those obsolete toll gantries all over Joburg…

  • OnceBitten2

    I live in the UK and the general elections have been fast forwarded to 8 June. One of the deciding factors in people voting for a winning party, is to stop the £ 12 Billion (yes, POUNDS) in foreign aid support. RSA will be on their list to. Reason being is that charity starts at home, we have our own issues to deal with, like NHS etc. Question is, does ANC government have a foreign aid budget? LOL, besides giving supposedly free electric to Zimbabwe and supporting RSA’s own Royal Family, The Zulu King, his 6 wives and 30 rug rats on R 60 million a year to do jack s*%t, laughing all the way to the bank. Point is, charity starts at home, there is way to much corruption and wasteful ideas / expenditure being spent on grandiose idea ways of how to milk the tax payers even more, which will see a revolt. I am glad to see in the papers over here in “sout peel land”, that all South Africans are fighting back for their rights. Don’t Pay, simple as.

    • OnceBitten2

      PS, give the SABC the middle finger to, Cloudy living on R 350 00 a month for doing nothing, it’s an absolute scandal.

  • chacma

    I neither uses gps or phone nav systems, still use brain and map as well a navigating by the stars. Before I go somewhere i have a look at where i’m supposed to be on Google Earth then program it into my brain and its photographic memory.

  • chacma

    Here is a thought, someone may be planning to use your phones gps for you. I am asked from time to time if I have A cell phone. My answer is always No and am not lying as have one i use and a some old ones in a cupboard somewhere so i do not have A cell phone

  • Joel Edwards

    I have a much better use for the etoll infrastructure, something that will benefit everyone: average speed prosecution. Consider it a tax on those that abuse the speed limits, which should result in (at least somewhat) safer roads

  • Jacob Zupta

    Gids gewoonlik word onosele mense wat n ik in n negatiewe het in n gestig geplaas.
    Is die plek se naam dan nou sanral?

  • Non racist

    I have a solution,go chase those people that have squandered the now close to R1 Trillion from the South African tax paying publics money ,not theirs ,where no one is yet in jail its an opportunity not to be missed.The banks have made a start with a Zupta linked deal close to the tune of R700m so far.

  • Disme

    default judgments??? @$@# SANRAL !
    if we fight them in court there will be no default judgments.

  • Olives_21

    They can repay Sanral with the 64billion that was stolen between 2015/16 when Pravin Gordon was still the finance Minister. We should all stand up against etolls, if they arrest one person we go block the high ways until they release them.

  • Christine Cameron-Dow

    The cause of the problem is staring us in the face; an overpaid, incompetent, bloated government and its leaching of funds from essential services and maintenance to fill their private coffers, and those of their cronies. Solve that problem and all these woes will gradually go away.

  • This would have made an excellent April 1st article 😉

  • Jacobus Pienaars

    Does it work like this: You use the road as you like and in return you deposit a certain amount into the bank ac of one of the top managers every month?

  • Hmm, let’s be rational. This could actually work. The cars that are on the road the most would pay the most. We could also stagger the charges to be related to weight. Thus the heavier vehicles (trucks) that do the most damage will pay the most. It would be a very fair system. BUT, there is always a but, if that is introduced than we will have to drop the fuel levy and license fees. And , of course, we need the collected toll fees to be ring fenced, so that that money is only used for road building and maintenance. Not like what we have now where the fuel levy just goes into the big pot to be distributed the way the government sees fit.

    • Harry Mlondobozi

      Have you seen the truck strikes lately? Those guys can negotiate a steep discount – by force.

  • Bundu

    They will never learn……
    We are simply tired of being screwed over and now prepared to break the law more and more as they attempt to screw us over

  • the-TRUTH

    Hey wena Sanral,
    Uyasijwayela maan!
    We had an opportunity to generative much needed revenue for nationwide roads via the fuel levy, BUT due to your arrogance and ANCkleptocratic tendencies – dololo
    Now dololo from us; you ain’t getting a cent you piece of rubbish…
    Our views / position are clear, #NoToGautengE-Tolls
    and #ANCshallfall when we #VoteForChange during elections
    Now, shut the hell up becos jy maak lawaai…

  • Barfly

    The people have spoken. Doesn’t sanral get it?

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